[han]

AJxxx Axxx AQ Ax.

You open 1S, partner bids 1NT (forcing or not, don't think it matters much).

What's your call? Does it depend on the vulnerability or form of scoring?

[ArtK78]

It depends on my methods.

This hand is not notrump oriented - all controls, no secondary cards to speak of. So 2NT is accurate if you are going to raise notrump.

However, in a suit contract, this hand is very good if there is a fit. And partner has not denied spades or hearts yet.

The hand is far too good for a 2♥ bid (nonforcing). But bidding 3♥ looks wrong with a flat hand and terrible suits.

In the methods that I use, 3♣ here shows a game forcing 5-4 or better two suiter (or a single suited spade hand forcing to game). That doesn't really solve the problem - whether this hand is worth a game bid.

We have already wrongsided any notrump contract due to partner's response. So I am going to bite the bullet and show my "game forcing" two suiter using whatever methods I have at my disposal.

I might be more inclined to bid 2NT at matchpoints. Vulnerability is not an issue.

[skjaeran]

I'd rebid 2♦, transfer to ♥, intending to bid 3NT next.

[Echognome]

skaeran, on Jan 17 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

I'd rebid 2♦, transfer to ♥, intending to bid 3NT next.

I'd open a strong club and not have the problem at all.

Or I'd play Gazilli and have a way to show this hand.

etc etc

I think it's great that you have a method for these hands (and if you want to share your system notes more generally I'd be interested), but I think Han is interested in the judgment call in a more standard 2/1 system.

[mike777]

2nt at any.


edit oops guess that was not an option.

[655321]

With no methods I rebid 3♥, second choice 3NT.

This hand is clearly worth forcing to game.

[P_Marlowe]

3H, wtp.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pclayton]

Not playing Gazzilli, I rebid 2N. I can't stomach 2♥ because if pard passes we have a very likely 3N.

[skjaeran]

Echognome, on Jan 17 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

skaeran, on Jan 17 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

I'd rebid 2♦, transfer to ♥, intending to bid 3NT next.

I'd open a strong club and not have the problem at all.

Or I'd play Gazilli and have a way to show this hand.

etc etc

I think it's great that you have a method for these hands (and if you want to share your system notes more generally I'd be interested), but I think Han is interested in the judgment call in a more standard 2/1 system.

Hehe, I know he is.

Then again, I do have another option. Whatever other methods I play here, I play 2NT as GF. So with non-regular partners I'd rebid 2NT (I generally know who play this as GF around here). 2NT GF is a very common treatment at the top level in Norway.

[kgr]

ArtK78, on Jan 17 2008, 11:01 PM, said:

We have already wrongsided any notrump contract due to partner's response.

I was thinking the opposite

[kenrexford]

skaeran, on Jan 17 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jan 17 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

skaeran, on Jan 17 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

I'd rebid 2♦, transfer to ♥, intending to bid 3NT next.

I'd open a strong club and not have the problem at all.

Or I'd play Gazilli and have a way to show this hand.

etc etc

I think it's great that you have a method for these hands (and if you want to share your system notes more generally I'd be interested), but I think Han is interested in the judgment call in a more standard 2/1 system.

Hehe, I know he is.

Then again, I do have another option. Whatever other methods I play here, I play 2NT as GF. So with non-regular partners I'd rebid 2NT (I generally know who play this as GF around here). 2NT GF is a very common treatment at the top level in Norway.

Same in central Ohio.

[mike777]

2nt game force?

I am worried we do not have game and partner has responded lite.

Is 2nt unlimited game force?

I just play it 18-19 or great 17.

Second choice 3H.

[kenrexford]

mike777, on Jan 17 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

2nt game force?

I am worried we do not have game and partner has responded lite.

Is 2nt unlimited game force?

I just play it 18-19 or great 17.

Second choice 3H.

When 2NT is GF, it is usually artificial, a soft relay to 3♣ (Responder has options). Jumps without 2NT are fit-dependent.

[Winstonm]

3H, hoping partner bids 3N.

Aces are supportive cards - virtually any honor cards in partner's hand become more valuable due to holding all the supportive Aces.

A normal minimum like: Kx, xxx, Qxxx, Qxxx has a play for 3N.

[the hog]

Without special methods - 3H

[helene_t]

Agree with 2N, or some kind of gadget. I suppose I could live with 3♥ also.

[Gerben42]

3♥, and yes I want to play Gazilli

[Free]

Prefer Gazzilli, but 3♥ will do...

[joker_gib]

Gerben42, on Jan 18 2008, 01:11 PM, said:

3♥, and yes I want to play Gazilli

3♥ in standard method but happy to play Gazilli !

[hrothgar]

I think that this is a very rough one playing 2/1.

I'm torn between two bids that I consider deeply flawed: 2♥ and 2N

2♥ is wrong about strength, however, I think that its less wrong than 3♥. 2♥ also has the benefit that it leaves 3♣ and 3♦ in play, while still providing partner with enough room to show a three card limit raise or bid a natural 2N. If partner does corrrect to 2♠, I have enough strength to make a same try. We will end up in 3N if partner has 2 Spades and a 8-9 count. We can intelligently decide between 3♠ and 4♠ is partner has three card support and less than a constructive raise.

2♥ could go very wrong if partner has a so-so hand with 4 card support. We'll rest in 2♥ when 4♥ will make easily. Furthermore, if partner rebids 3m, we won't be able to make an intelligent decision between pass and 3N. (3m shows a wide of range). 2NT will obviously work a lot better in these cases.

Personally, I think that its more likely that partner has a long minor rather than 4 card Heart support.

I'm going to rebid 2NT which I consider Natural Non Forcing without special agreement.