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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-January-11, 22:15

Scoring: MP


(3S) - 4H - (p) - ??
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-11, 22:17

pass

hope I go plus


:)


If partner yells at me when we make 6 or 7 I will try the ..."thought you would double with that hand" defense
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Posted 2008-January-11, 22:41

I def move with this hand it's very strong. Whether or not we should bid 4S or 4N is up for debate, I guess I would go 4S and give partner an out unless he cues diamonds.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 22:46

jdonn, on Jan 11 2008, 11:41 PM, said:

I def move with this hand it's very strong. Whether or not we should bid 4S or 4N is up for debate, I guess I would go 4S and give partner an out unless he cues diamonds.

Wow...the old double or cuebid with a tough hand approach...yet again.....may be best.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 22:54

jdonn, on Jan 11 2008, 11:41 PM, said:

I def move with this hand it's very strong. Whether or not we should bid 4S or 4N is up for debate, I guess I would go 4S and give partner an out unless he cues diamonds.

Agree.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 23:07

4S. I have to act, and partner may be worried about spade control.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 23:19

4 seems clear.

Too good to pass, and 4NT won't help much: if partner tells us 1 keycard is missing we have to just bid 6 which may have no play. After 4 sometimes partner can keycard, or else he can make a useful cuebid. We can bid 5 over 5, or 6 over 5.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 23:58

Han???
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Posted 2008-January-12, 00:54

We have to try. 4 seems good.
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Posted 2008-January-12, 02:47

Pass.

Partners 4H may be made with lots
of hands, and it is not even be certain
that 4H makes, even with the hand
I hold, although it would be unlucky.

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Posted 2008-January-12, 10:38

Over 4S partner will bid 5C. Now what?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-12, 12:07

There is no way that I would ever pass 4 here. If partner had opened the bidding with 1 I have a good game forcing hand. Partner makes a vulnerable overcall of 4 in direct seat over a first seat 3 bid and I am not going to move on this hand?

I am not happy with 4 since the folow-up auction is going to be nebulous at best.

My instincts tell me to bid 4NT. If we have all of the key cards, I will try for a grand. If we are off one, I will bid the small slam which may not be cold, but should have play. If we are off two key cards, I will bow to those who passed 4.

A grand will make opposite AKJTxx of hearts, Ax or Axx and the K. Certainly well within the normal expectation for a 4 bid. A small will make on most 4 overcalls. I am sure that one can give partner a reasonable 4 call that is not safe at the 5 level, but one would have to work at it.
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Posted 2008-January-12, 12:20

Hannie, on Jan 12 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

Over 4S partner will bid 5C. Now what?

5d, i will pass 5h.
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Posted 2008-January-12, 13:12

4 heart raise with a spade control.

Over 5 I bid 5

I am only invitational to slam so partner is going to have to make this decision.

Although i can imagine it being hard for her as ace, ace, trump queen, spade shortage are a lot of key features.
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Posted 2008-January-12, 13:36

I hate you.

4 and not feeling good about it at all. Over 5, 5...
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Posted 2008-January-12, 17:28

Whilst I'd bid 4S too, I can't help remembering that I few days ago lots of people said they'd overcall 4H over 3S (albeit in the balancing seat) with 97 AT873 AQJ86 J.

If partner has something similar to that - say xx A10xxx K KQxxx - we might find that 5H is too high.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-January-12, 18:07

I gave you my partner's hand. My hand was x AKJ97 xx KQJxx. My partner drove to slam and the diamond king was onside so all was well.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-12, 20:50

Pard should be long in spades, so his 4 are trustworthy. I'll bid 4NT because pard might be worried of spade control (I don't think 4 NEED show spade control).
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Posted 2008-January-13, 00:44

I have controls in 3 suits so i simply ask for aces
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