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Freddy Mercury under pressure

Poll: ugh... (31 member(s) have cast votes)

ugh...

  1. X (takeout) (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  2. 4H (20 votes [64.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.52%

  3. something genius (5 votes [16.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.13%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-January-11, 02:26

Scoring: IMP


Isn't it a nice hand? You open with 1♣ unfav imp's, promising either 13-16 unbalanced or 15-17 balanced. You are not happy when it continues:

1♣-1♦-x-4♦
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X shows any GF hand.

note: partner and opps are all good players.

edit: I left out forcing pass because it's too early and I forgot.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 02:28

What did partners X show? If it showed a normal negative X I would bid 4H for sure, if it meant something else I need to know what.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 02:29

sorry Josh, the post now makes (somewhat) more sense.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 02:34

Double (takeout) WTP

Didn't we agree how to handle interference when we agreed to play the system?
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Posted 2008-January-11, 02:39

I assume that X by you would be for take-out on this auction, if it is then X.

If partner has a 3 NT type of hand, partner will pass and you should have a good score. If X by you is for penalty, then bid 4 ♥.

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Posted 2008-January-11, 03:09

This is impossible without knowing the type of unbalanced hands that you open 1♣. Can you hold six hearts, or 5-5 majors, etc?

Assuming nothing too extreme is opened 1♣, then I'd bid 4♥ now. This is a minimum opener, in context, and partner knows you are short in diamonds.

Edit: you may not be happy with the auction but I'd expect this to happen a lot at this vul.

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Posted 2008-January-11, 03:22

I'm not sure that it matters what I do - I have almost no chance of winning this event anyway. However, I will win the postmortem: regardless of what happens it will be my partner's fault for insisting on playing these methods.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 04:56

Absent any special undisclosed idea, I'll bid 4H.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 05:50

Not sure what exactly your agreements are, but assuming no agreement for this specific sequence I would read a Double as the balanced hand type, so I will bid 4H.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 06:24

4♥.

But you've got to do something about those methods. If you're wedded to this silly 1♣ opening, then so be it, but with all the space you have over a 1♦ overcall there's no excuse for not having a way to show a long suit in a GF hand when you have one. Then you would automatically find when you belong in spades here, and most of the time that you belong in clubs as well.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 06:59

Forcing pass and 4♥ over pard's double. This usually shows a flexible hand.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 07:39

I voted for "something genius": I don't know which bid it is, but I would call it:The Bowie Relay :)



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Posted 2008-January-11, 07:58

I would use the Meckwell inversion on this.

Double=optional
Suits=single suited
Pass=partner please double unless quite shapely. After partner doubles, a suit bid now shows that suit and another

With this tool kit, I would pass, and then pull partner's double to 4♥, showing ♥s and another
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Posted 2008-January-11, 08:41

gwnn, on Jan 11 2008, 03:26 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP


Isn't it a nice hand? You open with 1♣ unfav imp's, promising either 13-16 unbalanced or 15-17 balanced. You are not happy when it continues:

1♣-1♦-x-4♦
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X shows any GF hand.

note: partner and opps are all good players.

edit: I left out forcing pass because it's too early and I forgot.

It is absolutely necessary to play pass and pull as 2 places to play in this sort of auction....
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Posted 2008-January-11, 09:27

Surely unbal don't include 5Sw5H, so 4H is H or HwC. Pass would be a hand fearing 2xD losers. Bid 4H.
Now partner's 4S can't be 5cS as that would have been shown. So cue.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 10:52

How can this question be answered intelligently without knowing so much more about this system?

4♥ seems absolutely obvious to me, notwithstanding so many posters choosing double.

At what level do we start bidding the suits that we have?

Seriously, though, given the methods, either double or pass here should show the balanced 15-17. Which is which is a matter of partnership agreement. If pass shows the balanced hand, double should be for takeout. I would still bid 4♥.
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Posted 2008-January-11, 10:59

Hi,

since double is for takeout, it is certainly
a reasonable, additionally, it tells partner
I hold a unbal. hand with 13-16.
If you would hold 15-17 bal. you make the
forcing pass.

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Posted 2008-January-11, 12:10

Playing FP standard methods Pass is clearcut

X suggest penalty

4H suggest good suit

pass followed by 4H = doubt about contract (slammish or 2 place to play but since the opening is limited (13-16) slammish is out of the way then its H+ other suit).
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Posted 2008-January-11, 13:46

benlessard, on Jan 11 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

Playing FP standard methods Pass is clearcut

X suggest penalty

4H suggest good suit

pass followed by 4H = doubt about contract (slammish or 2 place to play but since the opening is limited (13-16) slammish is out of the way then its H+ other suit).

Why is pass clearcut?

You have AQJxx in hearts. That seems like a good suit to me.
Given AQJxx in a major, and AJxx in a minor, I don't think that's two places to play. Would you really rather play in a 4-4 club fit than a 5-3 heart fit?

I'm going to pray that partner's X denied a 1 suited hand (surely you have some other bid for that), so 4♥ seems safe to me.

I can see why pass then 4♥ is an option, but I don't see why it's better than a straight 4♥. Especially since there's no assurance that you'll get to bid 4♥.
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Posted 2008-January-12, 10:06

Of course if X tend to show a balanced then 4H is ok. But i assumed that 1C---(1D)---1S isnt forcing or show a precise hand.

For example lets say
1C---(3D)---X(gf)---(4D)
???

here bidding 4H with only 5 is a bit dangerous and a flexible forcing pass is better.
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