[Kaapo]

With only the opponents vulnerable and IMP scoring, you declare a game at no trumps:

S AQ87        N    E   S    W
H Q8          1D   1H  2NT  pass
D A7653       3NT
C A10

S 109
H A1096
D KQJ10
C J94.       Lead: C3 (3rd or 5th).

How would you play?

[brianshark]

My first impression is to duck the club and assuming it's won and a small one returned to the ace... play a diamond to the king. If diamonds are 4-0 I'll do some more thinking, but if not I'll eliminate diamonds ending in hand and exit on a club and see what happens.

[Apollo81]

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Duck cA. If it wins or if RHO wins and fails to return a club we are cold. If it loses, win on dummy. If RHO played the c2 then clubs were 5-3: return to hand in diamonds, and lead the last club. Presumably West wins and cashes the remaining clubs and returns a spade. We win on dummy and cash the remaining diamonds. Trick 11 squeezes East, who must discard from K KJ -- --- and we have Q x --- --- in dummy and -- A10 -- -- in hand on trick 12. If LHO played the c2 on the second trick, clubs were 4-4 (we're cold) or 6-2 (RHO is out) so just play a heart to the 8. If neither played the c2 then RHO probably started with 3 of them including the 2 so play the squeeze.

[gwnn]

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[Apollo81]

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[FrancesHinden]

I think the query was why the reply was hidden.

If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit?

[matmat]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 10 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

I think the query was why the reply was hidden.

If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit?

I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6.

[Codo]

matmat, on Jan 10 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 10 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

I think the query was why the reply was hidden.

If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit?

I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6.

Are you serious?

I always lead my 5. from 6 without much thought. Why shouldn´t I?

[Apollo81]

matmat, on Jan 10 2008, 04:48 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 10 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

I think the query was why the reply was hidden.

If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit?

I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6.

I dont think this is true vs NT

[jvage]

In Norway, where 3/5 leads against NT are very popular, some lead 4. best and some 5. best from a sixcard-suit. I think 4. best is the most common among experts (according to their CC this is used by all our junior internationals).

John

[Kaapo]

This was the full deal:

Scoring: IMP

North East South West
1♦ 1♥ 2NT pass
3NT

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The ♣3 was led (5th best - and I think most Finns would lead the 5th best from a 6 card suit as well). I took ♣A and immediately played a club back. That was not a success since, having scored his ♣ tricks, West fired a ♥, removing my entry for the squeeze. I ended up down 2 after an unsuccesful ♠ finesse as a last desperate attempt for a make.

At least this time it would be right to grab ♣A at trick one, run diamonds, and then exit in ♣s.

[jdonn]

Codo, on Jan 10 2008, 05:43 AM, said:

matmat, on Jan 10 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 10 2008, 04:37 AM, said:

I think the query was why the reply was hidden.

If they lead '3rd & 5th' what do they lead from a 6-card suit?

I believe the standard is to lead 3rd best from 6.

Are you serious?

I always lead my 5. from 6 without much thought. Why shouldn´t I?

Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th.

Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low).

[Codo]

jdonn, on Jan 11 2008, 06:20 AM, said:

Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th.

Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low).

I have no problem with 3. and low or 33 from even.I have no problem to lead something very special from aknown length.

But I would dislike any opponent to lead the 6. highest from 6 after announcing 3. / 5.
And I am quite certain that- if this influenced my declarer play badly-, I had a case for the TD.

[jdonn]

Codo, on Jan 11 2008, 03:21 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 11 2008, 06:20 AM, said:

Say you open 2S and the opponents get to 4H and you're on lead. You lead your S3 and the 2 is missing. Partner STILL doesn't know if you have 5 or 6, defeating the purpose of your lead. If you lead say, the 8, partner can read it as 3rd, and would know if you lead something like the 3 that is 5th.

Basically it is way clearer to lead your 3rd best from 6. This is why people, at least in america, have stopped saying 3rd and 5th and now say 3rd from even low from odd (or just 3rd and low).

I have no problem with 3. and low or 33 from even.I have no problem to lead something very special from aknown length.

But I would dislike any opponent to lead the 6. highest from 6 after announcing 3. / 5.
And I am quite certain that- if this influenced my declarer play badly-, I had a case for the TD.

What? No one suggested leading 6th from 6...