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#1 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2008-January-09, 18:16

Scoring: MPs

(1♠) - P - (P) - ?

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Posted 2008-January-09, 18:21

Double WTP.

Holding only 3 card ♥, on a very bad day you may be balancing them into 4♥, but your hand is good enough that you just make your normal bid. No need to worry about worst cases.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 18:34

Me too, definitely double. I guess that makes it 655322:0.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 19:06

Tyler are you serious about this one? This is the most obvious double I've seen.

I'll be interested in what Mr. Foo has to say here. I would predict a unanimous vote, but I've seen some surprising things happen lately.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 19:22

Agree with WTP. (I'm in a rhyming mood.)
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Posted 2008-January-09, 22:19

I have a better problem guys... you hold:

KQx
AQx
Kxx
Qxxx

You play 15-17 NT, what is your opening?
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Posted 2008-January-09, 22:21

jdonn, on Jan 10 2008, 06:19 AM, said:

I have a better problem guys... you hold:

KQx
AQx
Kxx
Qxxx

You play 15-17 NT, what is your opening?

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Posted 2008-January-09, 22:23

jdonn, on Jan 9 2008, 10:19 PM, said:

I have a better problem guys... you hold:

KQx
AQx
Kxx
Qxxx

You play 15-17 NT, what is your opening?

Three queens and 4333? Obvious downgrading to 1♣ :D
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Posted 2008-January-09, 22:38

jdonn, on Jan 9 2008, 11:19 PM, said:

I have a better problem guys... you hold:

KQx
AQx
Kxx
Qxxx

You play 15-17 NT, what is your opening?

Yet another circumstance for a well done and objective simulation.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 22:48

jdonn, on Jan 9 2008, 11:19 PM, said:

I have a better problem guys... you hold:

KQx
AQx
Kxx
Qxxx

You play 15-17 NT, what is your opening?

I'd still open 1NT, though it's clearly a minimum.
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Posted 2008-January-10, 01:51

I would bid 1 NT on the first and X on the second example.
Or vice versa, who knows.

And I have a third example . You are in second seat and hold:

653
6543
653
654

What do you open and why?
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Posted 2008-January-10, 03:36

While double seems normal, there is a case to be made for bidding 2♦. Some reasons:

After 1♠-P-P-2♦-2♠-P-P you can double. After 1♠-P-P-X-2♠-P-P you're stuck.

If opener doesn't bid again, partner will probably bid 2♥ over 2♦ with five of them and a decent hand. So you're not that likely to miss a real heart fit.

On the other hand, if you double partner will bid a four-card heart suit long before a four-card diamond suit. Partner may even bid 3♥ on a four-card suit, especially if opener competes to 2♠.
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Posted 2008-January-10, 04:38

awm, on Jan 10 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

On the other hand, if you double partner will bid a four-card heart suit long before a four-card diamond suit. Partner may even bid 3♥ on a four-card suit, especially if opener competes to 2♠.

And he must play 3 or 4 Heart in a 4-3 Fit whith the short hand ruffing the spades and having an nice 5 card side suit to develop? And this at matchpoints?

Poor partner. He is always so unhappy if we just write a mere 80 % in our scorecard.

Seriously, OF course there is a downside for the double. But the upsides are so much higher, that noone should bid anything else but X.
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Posted 2008-January-10, 07:05

Ok, lemme own up. I doubled, of course, and after LHO jumped to 3♠ partner trotted out the semi-dreaded 4♥. which was not a success in the moysian. After the hand, partner berated me quite strongly for doubling with this hand. Just doing a little reality check. At the time I was 100% convinced that X was the right percentage action., and I remain so now.
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