[Fluffy]

Scoring: IMP

W - N - E - S
ps-1♥-2♦-2♥
2♠-4♣-ps-4♥
5♦- X -ps-??

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[gwnn]

where's pd's defensive tricks?? 5♥

[655321]

5♣ showed a big hand, good ♣ suit and interest in slam, yes?
Then I hate the 4♥ bid last round.

Was this an appeal hand? Having bid only 4♥ the first time, I don't think South is allowed to change his mind after a slow double.

[jdonn]

Assuming 4♣ is natural, obvious pull. Why else did partner bid 4♣ if we aren't supposed to accept a push to five on this hand? I'd say there is pretty close to being no alternative.

If 4♣ is shortness, which it seems like it can't be since that would make partner 1-1 in the minors or something, obvious pass.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Pass, wtp?

I have a defensive trick, I am bal.
maybe 5D makes, but I doubt that
5H makes, and 5D may well -2, so
lets see, how we do in 5D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

jdonn, on Jan 7 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Assuming 4♣ is natural, obvious pull. Why else did partner bid 4♣ if we aren't supposed to accept a push to five on this hand? I'd say there is pretty close to being no alternative.

Agree. What did the auction mean?

4C = I have a hand worth bidding game with clubs and hearts, if they are about to bid 4S or 5D this may help you decide what to do.

In my world (which I am aware may not be standard), I am NOT in a forcing pass auction here - partner bid 4C to help me over their bid if we happen to have a big double fit. Now partner is doubling 5D he hasn't suddenly found a lot of spade and diamond cards, he's just saying that he really has a good hand, and it's up to me to decide whether to play or defend.

[Codo]

Obviously we don´t play pass double inversion, else you had mentioned it.

Why should 4 Club show a real second suit? What had pd bid with a 4521 hand? And this hand is surely possible after the bidding so far? With a 2514 hand, he could have bid 3 Club, can´t he?

If your methods do not allow to bid 3 Club with a second suit and he must have bid 4 Club to show a strong two suiter, then pulling the double is an idea.

In any scenario, double suggested to defend in the context of the bidding so far, we are surely in a forcing pass situation.
My 3334 distribution says defence, my lack of defensive tricks screams offense, so I think that this is no way a hand with "no alternative", which is confirmed by the vote so far.

Anyway, I would choose to sit. I hate to bid a the 5. level and my hand is not so unusual that I overrule partners descission.

[whereagles]

I'll pull to 5♥.

[Fluffy]

our agreements is no splinter when opponents bid a suitm unless its on their suit, so 4♣ was natural.

[Apollo81]

Assuming a natural 4♣, this is an obvious pull. The whole point of the 4♣ bid was to get us to pull with such a hand.

[Fluffy]

Hand was a bit unlucky, with opponents having duplication in both clubs and hearts:

Scoring: IMP

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[jdonn]

Partner bid 4♣ with <50% of his hand in those two suits.

typ

[Codo]

I agree that 4 Club does not show his hand, however if you switch the black kings,
he more or less has his bids and 5 ♦and 5 ♥ are still one down.

And please don´t tell me that he bid this way with
xx, AKxxx,x,KQTxx. This hand is a 4 Club bid, but surely no double of 5 Diamond.