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Poll: Opponents opened 1 diamond - what is 2NT? (63 member(s) have cast votes)

Opponents opened 1 diamond - what is 2NT?

  1. I have no idea. (2 votes [3.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.17%

  2. 2 lowest suits (this case clubs and hearts) (59 votes [93.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 93.65%

  3. 2 any suits (except for diamonds). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 20-21 or any other semilar 2NT range. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Something else. (2 votes [3.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.17%

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Posted 2008-January-04, 07:55

Your opponents opened 1 ♦ - your new partner online, bids 2NT.

How would you understand that bid?

Modified: Direct seat.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 07:59

Two lowest unbid suits.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:04

Clubs and hearts, at least 5-5. With clubs and spades I bid 1♠, with both majors 2♦. I don't like a jump to the three-level to show two specific suits (Ghestem for example).

1. I would probably forget.
2. I like the three-level for one-suited pre-empts.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:23

As others, I'd assume ♣s and ♥s.

However, the question is perhaps ambiguous...is the 2NT overcall in direct or balancing seat?
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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:24

Right, in balancing seat it should be 19-21 or some such.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:31

helene_t, on Jan 4 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

Right, in balancing seat it should be 19-21 or some such.

Agreed, although Hedy Grey, during a vugraph broadcast the other day, said that for her the range is 17-19. I confess that I have not seen that concept before.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:42

Walddk, on Jan 4 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 4 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

Right, in balancing seat it should be 19-21 or some such.

Agreed, although Hedy Grey, during a vugraph broadcast the other day, said that for her the range is 17-19. I confess that I have not seen that concept before.

Roland

Well I suppose that she plays

1NT 10-14
X and then 1NT 15-17-
2NT : 17-19-
X and then 2NT 19+-21

I also prefer to keep 2NT to show basically the same stength as a 2NT opening.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:48

joker_gib, on Jan 4 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

Walddk, on Jan 4 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

helene_t, on Jan 4 2008, 04:24 PM, said:

Right, in balancing seat it should be 19-21 or some such.

Agreed, although Hedy Grey, during a vugraph broadcast the other day, said that for her the range is 17-19. I confess that I have not seen that concept before.

Roland

Well I suppose that she plays

1NT 10-14
X and then 1NT 15-17-
2NT : 17-19-
X and then 2NT 19+-21

Most likely, but she will not always be in a position to rebid 1NT.

1♥ pass pass double

Now, if the response is 2mi the rebid is 2NT to show 15-16 and that is not sound opposite what may well be a weak hand. Neither is it a splendid idea to let a direct 2NT show 17-19. 17 opposite nothing perhaps?

Sorry for being a bit off-topic here.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 10:50

Also ♣ & ♥. In ancient times it might have shown the minors, but I think these days almost everyone plays it as Unusual for the 2 lowest unbid suits.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 11:28

Ok, this one has chances, the first unanimous vote ever?
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Posted 2008-January-04, 17:02

Of course, the $64,000 question is: what did your partner (who I'll bet says "Expert" in his profile) actually have?

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Posted 2008-January-04, 20:45

matmat would probably vote for something ridiculous if he hasn't already voted here to blow the unanimity. :P
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Posted 2008-January-04, 21:10

barmar, on Jan 5 2008, 01:02 AM, said:

Of course, the $64,000 question is: what did your partner (who I'll bet says "Expert" in his profile) actually have?

Since this is posted here, the 2NT bidder or his partner thought that it showed the minors because 1♦ could be short. Just a guess. Some think, for reasons only known to themselves, that it always shows the two lowest suits, unbid or not.

So the same would apply after 1♣.

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Posted 2008-January-05, 03:40

C and a Major springs to mind as a possibility if you don't have a specific 2 suited bid for that.
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Posted 2008-January-07, 16:08

The ACBL convention card still has a checkbox for Jump to 2NT = Minors. And I played in the annual New England Individual Regional this week, and plenty of the convention cards I was handed had this box checked. Lots of the players in this tournament are people who normally only play social bridge, and this is their only foray into tournament duplicate bridge.
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