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#1 User is offline   Mr. Dodgy 

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:52

Scoring: MP

P-1♦-P-P;
1♠-X-2♣-P;
???

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:56

Pass.

It is more a question of "What are the alternatives?".

I assume your partner was a random pickup partner?

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Posted 2008-January-04, 08:56

I think it's to play. The question is if it should imply some spade tolerance. My guess is no so I would pass.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 09:04

Clubs I guess. A hand that wasn't strong enough to come in over 1♦.

Q
xxx
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AQJxxx

2♣ is not a great contract (virtually hopeless), but pass I will now.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 09:06

P_Marlowe, on Jan 4 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

I assume your partner was a random pickup partner?

Partner is a semi-regular online partner of mine, and has won multiple national seniors titles. He tends to be conservative in his bidding, but seems to be on a slight tilt this evening, perhaps enboldened by the MP scoring?
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Posted 2008-January-04, 09:07

Mr. Dodgy, on Jan 4 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 4 2008, 09:56 AM, said:

I assume your partner was a random pickup partner?

Partner is a semi-regular online partner of mine, and has won multiple national seniors titles. He tends to be conservative in his bidding, but seems to be on a slight tilt this evening, perhaps enboldened by the MP scoring?

than clubs for sure, partner had
a 2D cue available.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 09:10

Weak Two in ♣ or so. I pass.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 09:13

I apologize in advance if my answer is nonstandard.

After
1♦-P-P-1♠
-X--2♣

I would pass. However, after

P-1♦-P-P-
1♠-X-2♣

I would bid 2♦.

Since I am a passed hand, I expect my partner to overcall with a good suit, regardless of points. Therefore, this shouldn't be a good suit. If I weren't a passed hand, partner might take 2♦ as some sort of game try. Since I am a passed hand, and partner can't have all that much, he should be able to figure out this is natural.

If on a scrambling auction your opponents can keep you out of your suit with a 3 card opening, you should probably rethink your scramble methods.

Added since I didn't see Gerben's response in time...if partner has a weak 2 in clubs, NV Imps across a passed hand, I expect him to bid 3♣ the first time.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 10:02

Gerben42, on Jan 4 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

Weak Two in ♣ or so. I pass.

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Posted 2008-January-04, 11:10

Don't we play WJO's? Isn't AQJxxx a WJO at white for most of us at MPs?

I'm inclined to put pard on 5 clubs here and stiff or doubleton spade.1=4=3=5, 1=3=4=5, 2=3=3=5, 2=4=2=5 and 2=2=4=5 all seem possible. Pard didn't redouble so I don't think he has too much there.

Wouldn't 2♦ by a passed hand by natural here? Or am I too influenced byt he actual problem?
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Posted 2008-January-04, 14:42

I'm kinda surprised no one has suggested opening this hand. I wouldn't, but I think it's a close call.
2♣ is to play. With a pickup partner I'd leave it in.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 15:04

no dbl, no trouble.

pass
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Posted 2008-January-04, 19:48

Actually, with the wide range of re-opening hands and strength of the pass, it might not be unreasonable to play this sequence as Drury.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 19:53

nick_s, on Jan 4 2008, 03:42 PM, said:

I'm kinda surprised no one has suggested opening this hand. I wouldn't, but I think it's a close call.

I would usually open with this hand, but this partner prefers sound openings.
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Posted 2008-January-04, 19:56

pclayton, on Jan 4 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

Wouldn't 2♦ by a passed hand by natural here? Or am I too influenced byt he actual problem?

Not at all, I play it natural by an unpassed hand too and simply function without a cuebid. It's certainly worth discussing. I would still not bid it here though, I am almost always 5-5 when I make that bid, if I can help it.
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