who's to blame?
#1
Posted 2008-January-06, 01:59
KQT
QTxx
JTxx
opposite
AQJxx
xx
-
AKxxxx
1♣-3♦-p-p
3♠-p-3NT-p
4♣-p-5♣-end
+420
George Carlin
#2
Posted 2008-January-06, 02:08
Not sure that helps, though - still not easy for anyone to bid the 6th club.
So, blame the 3♦ bidder.
#3
Posted 2008-January-06, 03:14
#4
Posted 2008-January-06, 03:43
The only way I can see is a sequence like this - although I don't much like it:
1♣ (3♦) 3NTi
4♣ii 4♥iii
4♠iv 5♣v
6♣vi
i Responder upgrades his hand because of all the Tens
ii opener realises that if partner has the outside suit stoped, he almost certainly has ♠K. Also, the absence of a negative x suggest he might very well have some degree of ♣ support. And if he also has the ♥ stopped there might be a slam
iii cue bid, showing ♥ control, denying ♦ control, suggesting some degree of support (better than xx).
iv cue bid promising ♦ control and showing ♠ control
v nothing more to say
vi I hope we don't have a ♣ loser and if partner only has ♥K they don't lead a ♥
A bit contrived, you think? Certainly!
#5
Posted 2008-January-06, 06:46
North did bid like a man, who was
forced to find a bid, and this while
he holds near opening values.
This does not mean that you find 6C,
but North is to blame.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#6
Posted 2008-January-06, 09:27
#7
Posted 2008-January-06, 10:09
It might not make, but you are under pressure. Once partner is known to have values findingslam is much easier.
#8
Posted 2008-January-06, 10:30
After 3S by opener, N can be sure that S could not reopen with an X
So N has to decide whether he has shown his values with 3N.
I am doubtful he has but there is no room there. So 3N seems fine.
After 4C, tho, North can expect at least a 4-6 hand in the blacks and an unwillingness to sit for 3N ( the former perhaps implied by 3S, but the latter is new information)
So I think over 4C, N should make a stronger sound than 5C
The only sounds available are: 4D, 4H, 4S and 4N
4D is clearly a cuebid and shows extras but there is the little problem of the lack of Diamond control
4H would work well if P didnt think it showed long H
4S might sound like an attempt to play in a moysian, tho perhaps South should realize that North wouldnt do that expecting South to take the ruffs in the long hand
4N might be a good 'moving along' bid on the way to 5c but it also sounds like STFU
So maybe 5C is the least of evils lacking agreement; my next choice would be 4D, since south likely has short diamonds.
#9
Posted 2008-January-06, 11:22
While I agree that 4♠ is better than 4♣, I can't see an auction to slam after this start. Sure North has undisclosed extras, but as far as he knows he has a working 3-count.
#10
Posted 2008-January-06, 12:01
1. North pass over 3♦
I don't like to hide opening strength passes, they cause more problems to partner than to opps. X or 3NT would help partner to make a better decision.
2. 4♣
Repeating the ♠ in 4♠ would show a (5)6♣-5♠ distribution.
4♣ could be 5♣-4♠ and problems like missing stopper in a suit or a weak opening.
But why chicken out of 3NT? Partner did not show enough strength for slam and NT seems better than 5♣ or 4♠ without a good fit.
As the bidding went, partner promised to stop ♦ and ♥. He should have some 2-3♣ and 2-3♠ or he would have a suit of his own to bid and he should have some communication to our hand.
3. 5♣
North has shown a hand much weaker than he really is. Now he should show some guts. Given the the rest of the auction 4♥ is his last chance to correct his strength if it is a mixed cue bid.
Since most of the problems were caused by north, he has to carry most of the blame.
#11
Posted 2008-January-06, 14:25
Does 3♠ promise a 5-6? Just about, although I can see bidding 3♠ along the way to 4♣ with a 4=0=3=6 monster. I'd estimate it has 95% of the time though, unless your name is Steve Robinson.
Does the later 3N show some values? Some, but I would put an 11 count on the top of the range, especially with 4 good trump, a KQ and that fantastic KT. With a bust, you pass or retreat to a suit. I hope no one is suggesting 3♠ is forcing...
4♣ is interesting, but I wouldn't characterize it as a slam try necessarily. What would you do with AQxxx, x, void, KQxxxxx? I wouldn't pass 3N with this,.
5♣ continues to underbid, but slam is probably beyond our reach at this point.
I would suggest:
1♣ (3♦) 3N
4♠ ...........5♣
6♣
I would assign the blame 90% to North for not bidding 3N, and making two underbids with 3N and 5♣. South gets a little for not bidding 4♠, but thats about it. The worst call of the auction was pass instead of 3N.
#12
Posted 2008-January-06, 15:10
#13
Posted 2008-January-07, 06:33
N for not bidding 3NT right away.
S for rebiding his Clubs. I prefer 4E.
Anyone for 4D...? Doesn't this imply 5 spades....?