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How competitive are experts?

Poll: Would you raise to 2 Hearts if ? was.... (66 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you raise to 2 Hearts if ? was....

  1. A or never (1 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  2. K (2 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

  3. Q (35 votes [53.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.03%

  4. J (7 votes [10.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.61%

  5. T (1 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  6. 9 or less (20 votes [30.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.30%

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#1 User is offline   jtfanclub 

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Posted 2007-December-28, 09:32

None vul, IMPs. Apollo's, er, your hand...

♠98xx
♥Axx
♦10xx
♣?7x

Partner dealt and opened 1♥, next player says 2♦

How big an honor does ? need to be before you'd say 2♥?
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Posted 2007-December-28, 09:46

Q. I like to support with support, but with a 4333 hand I want full values to compensate. If I had any side shortness I'd probably be happy with just the Axx in partner's suit.

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Posted 2007-December-28, 09:52

I would bid 2♥ in competion with a another useless club, 9 or less.

A competitive action is somewhat different from an uncontested aution.

I think its important to show a major suit fit in competition.
The 4333 fit is a minus.
Any ace is a very nice plus. The Ace of trumps more so.
Nothing wasted in ♦, and the opps ♦ suit is probably decent.

Maybe pard overbids and goes down. Maybe it was their hand.
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Posted 2007-December-28, 10:12

I think that the best approach is probably to require the Q, but I confess I would probably do it with the Jack.... xxxx Axx xxx Jxx is a truly horrible hand, but how can one pass? :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-December-28, 10:16

Hi,

the Ace of hearts is enough, but
my partner would not expect more,
if he does, I guess the Q is the
lowest honor so that the hand looks
like a normal raise without interference,
and if it does, why should the overcall
stop us.

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Posted 2007-December-28, 10:22

Red I would require the Q I think. White is trickier....it's more tempting to overbid/stretch and I know thats what I do in practice
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Posted 2007-December-28, 10:25

mikeh, on Dec 28 2007, 08:12 AM, said:

I think that the best approach is probably to require the Q, but I confess I would probably do it with the Jack.... xxxx Axx xxx Jxx is a truly horrible hand, but how can one pass? :rolleyes:

Agree, I voted the Q too. This is really a pile of drek and I'll gladly sell out to 2♦ with less. 3 diamonds in RHO's suit might be the biggest red flag on this hand.
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Posted 2007-December-28, 11:15

Queen as well
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Posted 2007-December-28, 12:42

I have to have at least Qxx of clubs to raise partner, but my partner always thinks it is OK to raise on xxx of clubs.
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Posted 2007-December-28, 19:00

queen
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Posted 2007-December-28, 23:52

My hand is junk except for the A of PD's suit. It is important to support with support so as much as I hate 4333, the J of ♣ is just enough for me to eek out a raise.
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Posted 2007-December-29, 04:58

Honestly the J, although I prefer the Q. T or less is definitely not enough.
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Posted 2007-December-29, 07:55

any club is good 4 me
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Posted 2007-December-29, 10:32

Weird. The voting was Q-7, J-1, 9-9. Now look at it.

Time of day? Normal distribution? Or a half dozen "me too" votes after looking at the replies?
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Posted 2007-December-29, 11:33

Just tha tmost people think Jxx, 10xx or 9xx are worth the same.
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Posted 2007-December-29, 11:44

mikeh, on Dec 28 2007, 11:12 AM, said:

I think that the best approach is probably to require the Q, but I confess I would probably do it with the Jack.... xxxx Axx xxx Jxx is a truly horrible hand, but how can one pass? B)

So, under this theory 2H shows a worse hand than pass? Excuse me while I take some notes....
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Posted 2007-December-29, 11:51

Winstonm, on Dec 29 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

mikeh, on Dec 28 2007, 11:12 AM, said:

I think that the best approach is probably to require the Q, but I confess I would probably do it with the Jack....  xxxx Axx xxx Jxx is a truly horrible hand, but how can one pass? B)

So, under this theory 2H shows a worse hand than pass? Excuse me while I take some notes....

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Posted 2007-December-29, 12:13

I need the queen with this shape.

Put the ? in any other suit and I would raise with just the ace and a side doubleton.
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Posted 2007-December-29, 12:18

Winstonm, on Dec 29 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

So, under this theory 2H shows a worse hand than pass? Excuse me while I take some notes....

Not only is this pretty rude, I don't even think this makes sense. Why would pass necessarily show a bad hand here?

Anyway, I'm a middle-of-the-line J-raiser. If I even had some kind of doubleton, the A would be good enough for me.
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Posted 2007-December-30, 01:12

The question is: which is partner more likely to make a hash of - the bidding or the defence?

If I raise with this, partner might bid too much. But if I don't raise with this, partner might misdefend, since in the early stages of the hand he will not play me for three hearts to the ace since I didn't raise. Also, if LHO becomes declarer I would like partner to lead a heart, not try some other suit because I didn't raise.

A factor that influences my decision to raise anyway is that there can be some advantage in preventing fourth hand from cue-bidding 2♥. Besides, we may survive partner's bidding too much, but we won't survive his misdefending.
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