[dburn]

Scoring: IMP

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Partner opens 1♣, RHO passes. You bid 1♠ (would you?) and partner bids 1NT. RHO bids 2♥, and this travels round to partner, who doubles. RHO passes. What call do you make?

[Fluffy]

I would had passed the round before.

I hate when my partner bids 1NT and then doubles, I always do the wrong thing, he should be 2434 so 3♣ is probably our safest spot. I would try to play there.

[paulg]

I'll bid 3♣ too. I would bid 1♠ but we are in trouble now if partner really has 12-14 balanced here, or has he found a couple of aces? If we are playing weak 1NT then at least they may not be able to double us.

One danger, amongst many, is that partner is 3433.

Paul

[the hog]

Fluffy, on Dec 27 2007, 04:40 PM, said:

I would had passed the round before.

I hate when my partner bids 1NT and then doubles, I always do the wrong thing, he should be 2434 so 3♣ is probably our safest spot. I would try to play there.

Agree. I really cannot see the value of bidding 1S here.

[dicklont]

First round is a comfortable pass, having 4 clubs.
1♠ was dangerous, what if partner jump rebids?

Now I bid 3♣ and hope that ends the auction.

[655321]

Agree with 1♠.

Now, I am not happy! Partner will usually raise ♠ with 3 cards.
So...is he 3433 and doubling for penalties?
Is he 2245 and doubling for takeout?

I bid 3♣ here, and hope for the best!

[Apollo81]

I'd bid 3♣. I'm not thrilled with this call, but I cannot imagine defending 2♥x which will surely make.

[jdonn]

1♠ first round all day, we might steal the hand, if not we probably are fine in some suit. Too important to block them from bidding hearts if possible.

3♣ now.

[inquiry]

I join the herd... this is a clear 1♠ initial bid and I run, not walk, to 3♣ now. This has not turned out well for us... the initial passers probably win this hand, but in the long run bidding 1♠ with this hand is a winning action.... just probably not this time.

[bid_em_up]

I pass 1♣ initially.

3♣ is going to be a disaster. Why did RHO pass 1♣, if he supposedly has any sort of a 1♥ overcall?

Hint: He quite likely has 5+ clubs (not that it should stop him from bidding 1♥, but its the only thing that makes any sense).

Ugh.

Pass and pray partner knows what he is doing.

[kenrexford]

I'm not all that convinced that this new double is penalty-oriented. I would have rather expected something like 3-2-3-5 pattern, myself. I think this is a high ODR double, or perhaps a "support double" after the fact.

Give Opener ♠Qxx ♥Jx ♦Axx ♣AQ10xx.

If a double catches ♠AJxx ♥K10x ♦xxxx ♣xx, I want partner to leave this in.

If a double catches ♠AJ109 ♥xxx ♦Qxxx ♣Jx, I like 2♠.

If a double catches the actual hand, I like 3♣.

My pattern suggests that this is not the case, but I don't care. I think that Opener's reopen should be takeout-oriented.

[mikeh]

I really don't think that partner should ever be making a penalty double here. Yes, on occasion, the opps get out for -100 or -200 when we could have had 300 or 500, but so what? A moment ago we were playing for +90 as far as he was concerned (and -100 or more as far as we were )

So I think the double should be something like 3=3=2=5, with a maximum. That way, if he has caught me with a chunky 4=3=4=2 or 4=3=3=3, say a 9-10 count, we collect our modest number.

But that doesn't mean that that is what partner thinks! Maybe he thinks he is allowed to double with 2=4=3=4 maximums.

In any event, while I think that 3♣ is going to be a disaster if he is 3=4=3=3 or 1=4=3=4, since I expect RHO to hold long(ish) clubs. But I have negative defence to 2♥ and they haven't doubled me yet.. indeed, I doubt that either player can double me, because LHO has a lot of strength yet not much in clubs (if my read of the hand is correct) and rho can't be sure that I don't have some of his partner's cards. Since on defence, I essentially need partner to take 5 tricks, and maybe 6... and there ain't no 1N rebid that takes 6 tricks and not many that take 5, passing is out of the question no matter what he thought his double showed. 3♣ it is.

BTW, if he is a regular partner, and thought double was penalty, at least we have a hand that we will remember in the future, after agreeing that it can't be

[pclayton]

I bid 1♠ - wtp?

I hate it when my opponents make strange calls in live auctions. Wtf does 2♥ show? Its not like its a prebalance or anything.

I now pull to 3♣. Pard is probably ripping 3♥ but I can't do anything about that.

[jtfanclub]

pclayton, on Dec 27 2007, 01:35 PM, said:

I bid 1♠ - wtp?

I hate it when my opponents make strange calls in live auctions. Wtf does 2♥ show? Its not like its a prebalance or anything.

It isn't?

[pclayton]

jtfanclub, on Dec 27 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

pclayton, on Dec 27 2007, 01:35 PM, said:

I bid 1♠ - wtp?

I hate it when my opponents make strange calls in live auctions. Wtf does 2♥ show? Its not like its a prebalance or anything.

It isn't?

No, its not.

1x - 1y - 1N isn't a fit auction.

[mike777]

dburn, on Dec 27 2007, 04:38 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Partner opens 1♣, RHO passes. You bid 1♠ (would you?) and partner bids 1NT. RHO bids 2♥, and this travels round to partner, who doubles. RHO passes. What call do you make?

I would bid one spade with alot less.
I guess 2h is 100% penalty and pass.

If not partner can teach me something in the bar later.

[mikeh]

mike777, on Dec 27 2007, 04:37 PM, said:

dburn, on Dec 27 2007, 04:38 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ 7643 ♥ 4 ♦ QJ107 ♣ J1043

Partner opens 1♣, RHO passes. You bid 1♠ (would you?) and partner bids 1NT. RHO bids 2♥, and this travels round to partner, who doubles. RHO passes. What call do you make?

I would bid one spade with alot less.
I guess 2h is 100% penalty and pass.

If not partner can teach me something in the bar later.

Even if it were intended as pure penalty: construct a hand consistent with the auction on which you want to defend 2♥. Note, rho will NOT usually be 3=4=3=3

Bear in mind that the opps must have a minimum of 22 hcp and 8 hearts.

Yes, I know you were able to do so, but they must look unlikely to you:

And on some of them, you'd better find the winning lead, and the winning lead won't always be the same.

[kenrexford]

Yeah. I don't get some of these comments. I would not be remotely concerned about us making 3♣. I actually consider that to be a fairly good contract in this auction. What bothers me is that partner kept this auction open, and the opponents might find 4♥ after all.

So, I pass? Please.

[neilkaz]

Jlall, on Dec 27 2007, 06:39 PM, said:

1S then 3C. I consider both beyond automatic.

Complete agreement here ! I expect PD's double means "do something intelligent PD, I wish to compete. I have decent ♥ and if you can help on defense and pass that is OK, but if not, bid something please"

As I expect the opps may make an OT in 2♥x and my ♠ suit is a pathetic 4 carder, I am bidding 3♣, which PD should be ready for, since there's almost no hand he can hold on this auction that can expect to really hurt 2♥ if I am minimum.

Lets see what can go wrong when we respond 1♠ with this hand.

PD can jump to 4♠. We have our 4-4 fit and inspite of our 4 HCP of quacks, if PD is worth 19+ support points we should have good chances.

PD can jump to 3♠. We pass and should have good play and perhaps the opps have missed 3 or even 4♥.

PD can reverse. In this case we use leb and drop him at 3♣ (unless he has a moose and rebids something else, in which case maybe 5♣ or 3NT is making)

PD can jump to 2NT. This isn't pretty, but since I play nmf here I can sign off in 3♣ which I suspect will play better than 2NT. Those who play Wolff can pass and hope it makes.

PD can raise to 2♠ and I'll pass. I hope PD isn't raising on 3 cards and most of mine rarely do so.

PD can bid 1NT. Playing checkback I'll pass. Playing nmf, I can try 2♣, but it may be best to pass anyhow and hope the opps don't balance, but if I bid 2♣ PD can compete to 3 with real ♣.

OK bidding here can get into trouble if you have to go back to ♣ and find opener is 3433 but that is rare. Bidding can get into trouble if PD raises ♠ with 3, or raises them in comp.

All in all, I like bidding 1♠ here and the number of times you get to play the hand at 2♠, or find a 4♠ making game rather than a passout, or keep the opps out of a making ♥ contract should offset the losses from the occasional bad result.