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#21 User is online   P_Marlowe 

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Posted 2007-December-22, 12:12

ArtK78, on Dec 22 2007, 11:47 AM, said:

I do not know what my opponents are doing, but I always believe my partner.

He bid at the two level opposite a passed partner into a live auction vul at IMPs.  He has a good hand.

I would never dream of passing.  I bid 2♠.  Second choice - 4♥, but since 3NT could easily be the right contract, 2♠ is better.

Ok.

Your Partner never holds a 7 card suit headed by KJ
and out in the 4th seat, and if he does he has to bid
3H? If so, than this is insane, and the same is true,
if has to pass.

I also trust my partner, but that does not mean that
I cant listen to the bidding.
I have passed, which does not (!) imply that I am broke,
but it means that partner can and should act more freely,
as long as he has a suitable hand, and the bandwith
of suitable hands is fairly large.
We agree, that partner has a hand with good playing
potential, but this does not mean he is looking at an
opening bid.

He wont bid with the expection, that we still have game
our way, the same math I applied to get a rough
estimate of the min. opponents strength can be applied
by partner, he will bid because he has a good suit.

Bidding 4H, or forcing to game for that matter, is hanging
partner.

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Posted 2007-December-22, 12:17

P_Marlowe, on Dec 22 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

Bidding 4H, or forcing to game for that matter, is hanging
partner.

KJxxxxx of hearts and out is a totally obvious pass, bidding with that is suicide.

Forcing to game on this is not hanging partner. It's trusting him. I game force too. And I second Justin's comments except a little differently. He sees people not bidding game on hands like this and feels justified bidding so lightly. I see people not bidding game on hands like this and wonder why I don't bid more lightly.
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Posted 2007-December-22, 12:17

Apollo81, on Dec 22 2007, 11:33 AM, said:

This is a completely normal 2♠ bid, which shows a stopper since there are two opponent suits.
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Just a hint, there are two schools out there, in case the
opponents bid two suits, one school shows a stopper,
and another ask for a stopper via a cue bid.
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Posted 2007-December-22, 14:08

P_Marlowe, on Dec 22 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Dec 22 2007, 11:33 AM, said:

This is a completely normal 2♠ bid, which shows a stopper since there are two opponent suits.
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Just a hint, there are two schools out there, in case the
opponents bid two suits, one school shows a stopper,
and another ask for a stopper via a cue bid.

No there is only one school. If they bid one suit, cues ask. If they bid 2, cues show.
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Posted 2007-December-23, 05:00

This is just semantic, but I prefer to say that cue shows no matter if they showed 0, 1, 2 or 1.5 suits like this one. The problem is it might show fit, stopper, a hand that wants to play NT if partner stops their suit, or the unlikelly strong hand with no better call avaible.

The problem with 2♠ is that it colides with something smilar but with 3 hearts, so partner can't know if we are inviting to game with support or showing a hand with no club control.

If I had a bit less I would prefer 2NT to 2♠ because otherwise I would not know what to do when partner bids 2NT next. And a 1♣ opening is not a worryng as a major or even diamonds.
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