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Garbage stayman or just garbage

#1 User is offline   Al_U_Card 

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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:44

Wednesday night fight (as usual)

The auction proceeds 1NT-p-2C-p-2D-p-2H-p ???
Scoring: MP


Your cc shows 15-17 NT, phony stayman (4 suit transfers), garbage stayman and Smolen.

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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:51

Pass.

Depends of course on the meaning of
a 2S call instead of the 2H call.

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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:56

2♠ because I'll be declaring :)
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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:58

If not a regular partner I pass

If I know he has 4-4 in the majors for sure I prefer to play in 2♠ because I prefer slow trump tricks than on the side-suit
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Posted 2007-December-20, 10:26

There's no inherent quality about this hand that lends itself to any call but pass. Partner would bid this way, for instance, with xxxx xxxxx x xxx.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 11:37

Assuming that 2♥ is bid with all major shapes (44, 45, 54, 55), Michael Rosenberg recommended (during vugraph) bidding 2♠ on all hands except those with 2 spades and 3 hearts.

Unfortunately he did not have sufficient time to elaborate.

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Posted 2007-December-20, 15:24

cardsharp, on Dec 20 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Assuming that 2♥ is bid with all major shapes (44, 45, 54, 55), Michael Rosenberg recommended (during vugraph) bidding 2♠ on all hands except those with 2 spades and 3 hearts.

Unfortunately he did not have sufficient time to elaborate.

Paul

One plausible reason is for when partner has a weak 3415 pattern, if that is allowed. In that event, complete 2♠ because you like clubs.
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Posted 2007-December-21, 01:57

kenrexford, on Dec 20 2007, 10:24 PM, said:

cardsharp, on Dec 20 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

Assuming that 2♥ is bid with all major shapes (44, 45, 54, 55), Michael Rosenberg recommended (during vugraph) bidding 2♠ on all hands except those with 2 spades and 3 hearts.

Unfortunately he did not have sufficient time to elaborate.

Paul

One plausible reason is for when partner has a weak 3415 pattern, if that is allowed. In that event, complete 2♠ because you like clubs.

Can't partner have a 4-3-1-5 with a problem?
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Posted 2007-December-21, 03:10

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Assuming that 2♥ is bid with all major shapes (44, 45, 54, 55), Michael Rosenberg recommended (during vugraph) bidding 2♠ on all hands except those with 2 spades and 3 hearts.

Unfortunately he did not have sufficient time to elaborate.

Paul


One reason is that with this strategy partner may now bid 2NT with 34xx and an almost-invitational hand. I've seen a top French pair bid like this.

1NT - 2♣
2♦ - 2♥
2♠ - 2NT
Pass

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Posted 2007-December-21, 03:48

Pass. P could be 4-5 but not 5-4.
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