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very quacky 12 count

Poll: but is it quacky enough? (50 member(s) have cast votes)

but is it quacky enough?

  1. Open (40 votes [80.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  2. Pass (10 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2007-December-20, 04:31

Scoring: IMP

the highest spot cards are a pair of major suit 7's

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Posted 2007-December-20, 04:43

Obvious opening to me. One should open on any excuse these days. Besides, if responder has a major, your major quacks become useful.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 04:49

I open too !

Good 5 cards suit...
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Posted 2007-December-20, 08:58

The formula I use these days is: length of 2 longest suits + HCP + defensive tricks. If this is 21.5 or more I open NV. If this is 22 or more, I open Vul.

I used to use LTC <= 7 and 1.5 defensive tricks and HCP >= 10, but I found this tended to overvalue 3-suited hands.

Yes I open, but I'm not happy about it. I'll stretch further to open 1M than 1m, but this one is ok. The best opening for the hand is of course 1 (weak) NT.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 09:25

Hi,

I open.

The main reason: I believe the field will open,
and the merrits of pass are not high enough
to compensate this.

A secondary reason, you dont have a real rebid
problem, your most likely rebid is 1NT, which
shows your shape and your point count, and even
after 2C, you can bid 2D without any real issues.

But I can understand, if you would pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2007-December-20, 14:43

Having a good five-card diamond suit makes a lot of difference to me.

I'd open, but if you move a small diamond to any other suit I would pass.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 14:48

Agree with awm.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-20, 17:13

I pass. don't ask me why.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 18:49

1♦ due to the good 5 card suit
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Posted 2007-December-20, 20:07

nick_s, on Dec 21 2007, 03:58 AM, said:

The formula I use these days is:  length of 2 longest suits + HCP + defensive tricks.  If this is 21.5 or more I open NV.  If this is 22 or more, I open Vul.

This is seriously flawed.

It severly under-values this hands biggest asset ♦AQJxx. This feature in a hand with 12 hcp makes this hand not even close to a pass in my opinion.

You have to take into account the location of your honours.

AQxx
AQxx
xxx
xx

8 (4♠ + 4♥) + 12 (hcp) + 2 defensive tricks = 22 and is a fine opening by your evaluation ...

but

AQ
AQx
xxxx
xxxx

counts to the same 22 and is clearly an inferior opening - whether or not it crosses the border to pass will depend on your personal style and partnership agreement but it is clearly not as good as the hand above. I would judge it is something like 1.5-2 hcp worse.
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Posted 2007-December-20, 21:40

Cascade, on Dec 20 2007, 09:07 PM, said:

nick_s, on Dec 21 2007, 03:58 AM, said:

The formula I use these days is:  length of 2 longest suits + HCP + defensive tricks.  If this is 21.5 or more I open NV.  If this is 22 or more, I open Vul.

This is seriously flawed.


I see what you mean. Thanks for pointing that out.

This method was introduced to me about 3 months ago and seemed to be working fairly well. From now on, I'll be taking this one with a grain of salt too.
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Posted 2007-December-21, 09:09

I open, seize the initiative of the opening bid!
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Posted 2007-December-21, 13:30

I pass, but I think it's really borderline. The suit and the lack of a big rebid problem just don't compensate for the fact that this hand is not good.

I'd open if my Jxx were JTx.
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Posted 2007-December-21, 15:00

gwnn, on Dec 20 2007, 05:31 AM, said:

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the highest spot cards are a pair of major suit 7's

Playing weak NT's I usually open. Playing Strong NT's I pass.
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Posted 2007-December-21, 15:43

Wow isn't this automatic to open at any scoring/seat/vul? Tough crowd! It's a heck of a lot safer than having to overcall diamonds next round.
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Posted 2007-December-23, 08:30

http://www.gg.caltech.edu/~jeff/knr.cgi?ha...xx+Jxx+AQJxx+Qx

K&R (Qxx Jxx AQJxx Qx) = 10.30
DK = 10

IOW, this has the expected trick taking strength of the average 10 count.
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