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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:11

Scoring: IMPs

1 - 1
3 - 3
3NT - 6NT


The bidding and final contract are not great but this is how it went at the table. The heart 7 is lead, plan the play.

If it matters, LHO is very good and RHO is also a pro player and while you may be somewhat sound, you are not known for imaginative plays.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:19

I know that the technically correct play would be cash the AK of hearts, to see if the Q would fall, cash the A to see if the Q would fall, run the diamonds and finesse the spade for your 12th trick.

The imaginative play would be win the A and play a club to the K. Even if it loses, LHO won't know to return a club unless (1) RHO played a high club honor at trick 2 or (2) LHO holds the AQ of clubs.

Besides offering almost the same odds as the other plays (a straight 50% without all of the extra chances) it also has the merit of correcting the count for a real squeeze when LHO wins the A and returns any other suit.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:22

Feh I like Italian slams better than Dutch ones :P

I'd lead a club up at T2. This may lead to extra undertricks, but its also very possible that RHO has the Ace, or that LHO doesn't continue clubs at T3, which lets me test the majors or possibly set up a squeeze, especially if they don't return a diamond.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:26

I suspect that I will maintain my reputation for dull plays on this hand.

If the diamonds don't behave, I'm (essentially) down so I assume that the Diamonds behave.

I'd win the first heart and then play another top heart (pitching clubs from hand). If the Queen drops (It could happen) life is good. if the queen doesn't drop, I cash a top Spade and then run seven rounds of Diamonds, pitching hearts and the club

On the last Diamond, I come down to the following ending

KJx
J



T

x
KT

I'll lead the last Diamond and hope that LHO has to let something useful go.
If worse comes to worst, I can always hook the Spade
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:29

hrothgar, on Dec 18 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I suspect that I will maintain my reputation for dull plays on this hand.

If the diamonds don't behave, I'm (essentially) down so I assume that the Diamonds behave.

I'd win the first heart and then play another top heart (pitching clubs from hand). If the Queen drops (It could happen) life is good. if the queen doesn't drop, I cash a top Spade and then run seven rounds of Diamonds, pitching hearts and the club

On the last Diamond, I come down to the following ending

KJx
J



T

x
KT

I'll lead the last Diamond and hope that LHO has to let something useful go.
If worse comes to worst, I can always hook the Spade

Given that the count has not been corrected, any squeeze that might develop would have to be in three suits. Not likely.

Essentially, if no major suit queen falls early, you are down to the spade finesse.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:35

ArtK78, on Dec 18 2007, 09:29 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Dec 18 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I suspect that I will maintain my reputation for dull plays on this hand.

If the diamonds don't behave, I'm (essentially) down so I assume that the Diamonds behave.

I'd win the first heart and then play another top heart (pitching clubs from hand).  If the Queen drops (It could happen) life is good.  if the queen doesn't drop, I cash a top Spade and then run seven rounds of Diamonds, pitching hearts and the club

On the last Diamond, I come down to the following ending

KJx
J



T

x
KT

I'll lead the last Diamond and hope that LHO has to let something useful go.
If worse comes to worst, I can always hook the Spade

Given that the count has not been corrected, any squeeze that might develop would have to be in three suits. Not likely.

Essentially, if no major suit queen falls early, you are down to the spade finesse.

Moreover, if a three suited squeeze is operating the finesse is on
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Posted 2007-December-18, 12:53

hrothgar, on Dec 18 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

On the last Diamond, I come down to the following ending

KJx
J



T

x
KT

Clearly worse than trying a black suit finesse, since you need someone to hold all three guards.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 13:14

Apollo81, on Dec 18 2007, 09:53 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Dec 18 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

On the last Diamond, I come down to the following ending

KJx
J



T

x
KT

Clearly worse than trying a black suit finesse, since you need someone to hold all three guards.

Doesn't look like this gains anything over the immediate finesse, however, you still have the option to finess at this point in time.

Lead the last Dimaond, pitching a heart and then lead a spade to the Jack
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Posted 2007-December-18, 13:38

I like club at trick 2, but I am so worried about non club lead. Having no extra clubs in dummy decreases chances of it beign ducked.

I try J from dummy.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 14:17

I'd play the 'technical' line - spade finesse and all.

I admire the play to the club King, just would never do it.
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Posted 2007-December-18, 14:50

hrothgar's line puts a lot of pressure on opps' discards, so I might try that.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 02:03

whereagles, on Dec 18 2007, 09:50 PM, said:

hrothgar's line puts a lot of pressure on opps' discards, so I might try that.

Yeah, and he might just have an endplay against East B)
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Posted 2007-December-19, 02:07

I try the Club too. This has more to gain then just the 50 % from a working finesse.
If LHo does not own AQ, he would seldom return the suit.
Intersting side question would be, what to do, if RHO plays the jack on the first round of clubs...
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Posted 2007-December-19, 02:46

Playing to the King directly sounds like a Brink type of play. And since I mean this as a compliment, I'll do that.

So win the A, play to the King and Ace, another comes back and you win. Cash A and run the .
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Posted 2007-December-19, 12:11

I'd certainly take that as a compliment Gerben. That's how I played, but since the club ace was onside I'll never know if lefty would find the club return. I think that would be a very difficult defense from AJxx.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-19, 14:00

Hannie, on Dec 19 2007, 10:11 AM, said:

I'd certainly take that as a compliment Gerben. That's how I played, but since the club ace was onside I'll never know if lefty would find the club return. I think that would be a very difficult defense from AJxx.

It's even possible LHO might duck the club looking at AJxx to avoid rectifying the count.
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Posted 2007-December-19, 14:00

Claytonned!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-19, 17:22

pclayton, on Dec 19 2007, 02:00 PM, said:

Hannie, on Dec 19 2007, 10:11 AM, said:

I'd certainly take that as a compliment Gerben. That's how I played, but since the club ace was onside I'll never know if lefty would find the club return. I think that would be a very difficult defense from AJxx.

It's even possible LHO might duck the club looking at AJxx to avoid rectifying the count.

Against some players (and I won't name any gnames here), the club play is 75%, as it only fails when LHO has AQ.
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