LHO opens 2♦ (weak two, pretty wide ranging in terms of length and values. Partner overcalls 2♥. RHO passes and it's your call...
What's your plan on this hand?
#1
Posted 2007-December-15, 09:17
LHO opens 2♦ (weak two, pretty wide ranging in terms of length and values. Partner overcalls 2♥. RHO passes and it's your call...
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#2
Posted 2007-December-15, 09:24
#3
Posted 2007-December-15, 13:21
- hrothgar
#4
Posted 2007-December-15, 14:46
After I voted, I have seen the majority vote,
... well, thats the alternative bid, but it wont
help you a lot, and it should promise fit.
And 2H overcalls are wide raniging too ...
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2007-December-15, 15:01
#6
Posted 2007-December-15, 15:02
helene_t, on Dec 15 2007, 10:24 AM, said:
2NT forcing is actually a very good idea, which I would commend to the attention of all BBO "experts" - many BBO experts doubtless use it already. No guarantees, of course, but it simplifies a great many auctions in these troubled times where the opponents seem to bid before you do whenever one of them is the dealer.
As it is, I don't see much of an alternative to 3♦. It's not that I have a plan, but when you can't make some nebulous double, the best you can do is make some nebulous cue bid and see if partner can think of a plan.
And sealed the Law by vote,
It little matters what they thought -
We hang for what they wrote.
#7
Posted 2007-December-15, 15:24
I've noticed that cue bids on this forum are rarer and more specific than I imagine they are. This may be a good thing, and then this hand will be one that got away, since a more flexible cue bid is clearly advantageous.
#8
Posted 2007-December-15, 16:09
awm, on Dec 15 2007, 10:17 AM, said:
LHO opens 2♦ (weak two, pretty wide ranging in terms of length and values. Partner overcalls 2♥. RHO passes and it's your call...
As is often the case with a difficult bidding problem, cuebid or double will often work out as good as anything else.
3d
#9
Posted 2007-December-15, 16:54
dburn, on Dec 15 2007, 09:02 PM, said:
on lack of that, I'll stick to a forcing 2♠
#10
Posted 2007-December-16, 01:02
Finding your own mistakes is more productive than looking for partner's. It improves your game and is good for your soul. (Nige1)
#11
Posted 2007-December-16, 01:20
3NT over 3♥
4♦ over 3♠
4NT over 3NT
4♦ over 4♣
4NT over 4♦ or 4♥
#13
Posted 2007-December-16, 08:04
#14
Posted 2007-December-16, 10:00
Do you really play that 3D shows support here? Isn't AKJx xx xxx KJxx a common hand for 3D?
Are you really planning to play hearts? Wouldn't partner overcall 2H with Axx Qxxxx Kx KQx?
- hrothgar
#15
Posted 2007-December-16, 10:53
I would never cue without being prepared to play 4 in my partner's major.
This hands and your example makes it look like it is better to play 3♦ as flexible, at the table I would probably be aware of this posibility and not assume fit. But younever know if your partner is on the same wavelenght.
#16
Posted 2007-December-17, 11:39
jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 02:20 AM, said:
3NT over 3♥
4♦ over 3♠
4NT over 3NT
4♦ over 4♣
4NT over 4♦ or 4♥
I'd bid RKC over 3♠. Other than that I agree with these.
#17
Posted 2007-December-17, 11:44
Fluffy, on Dec 16 2007, 11:53 AM, said:
I really disagree with this, you are playing with the wrong people. I'd say that most of the time I am quite confident that partner is on the same wavelength and on this particular issue I'd be very sure that partner is. This is just beginner bridge.
- hrothgar
#18
Posted 2007-December-17, 11:48
karlson, on Dec 15 2007, 04:01 PM, said:
When you pick up a hand like this where there are many, many possible contracts, it pays off to make a flexible bid rather than a unilateral one. Since the cuebid is really the only flexible option, it is the right bid here.
Think of this cuebid as meaning "I'm not sure what the right contract is, and there's no other bid that I can use to describe my hand" This strongly correlates with heart hands since there's no forcing way to bid hearts, but there are forcing ways to show 5+ clubs, spades. However it doesn't '100%' show hearts.
#19
Posted 2007-December-17, 11:48
Apollo81, on Dec 17 2007, 12:39 PM, said:
jdonn, on Dec 16 2007, 02:20 AM, said:
4♦ over 3♠
I'd bid RKC over 3♠. Other than that I agree with these.
I think 4♣ is clearly superior to 4♦, as I would like to hear if partner can cuebid 4D (shortness would be nice wouldn't it?).
4NT seems reasonable as over 4NT-5C-5D-5H-5NT partner should have a good picture of our hand. I think.
- hrothgar
#20
Posted 2007-December-17, 12:48
It's interesting that people want one of the most expensive calls below game to be the "flexible option." Doesn't it make more sense to play that one of the cheaper bids indicates flexibility (here perhaps saying that 2♠ can be bid on a four-bagger) rather than assigning a flexible meaning to an expensive bid?
Over 3♦, if partner decides to bid something like 3♠ or 4♣, are you necessarily certain this is a suit and not a cuebid for hearts? Obviously if it's a cuebid you like your odds of slam, but there's no reason hearts is necessarily the right strain. Even if partner bids 3♥, presumably the plan is 3NT next to offer choice of games, but couldn't 4♠ or even 5♣ be the right game? Partner may well assume three hearts and two diamond stoppers for the 3♦...3NT sequence.
In any case, partner and I had no clear agreements about these things, a theme which came up later in the hand as well. I decided to try 3♣, figuring that partner was not that likely to insist on clubs without four-card support. Partner bid 3♦ over this, perhaps in part because of uncertainty as to whether a 3♥ rebid would be forcing. Now the troubling question became, if bid 3♥ over 3♦, is that a forcing call? Uncertain as to whether it would be, I decided to bid 3NT next which ended the auction. Partner's hand:
♠AT9
♥KJ8xxx
♦x
♣KTx
Clearly 4♥ is a superior game. The 3NT contract appears to have some play, but after holding up the diamond ace until the third round, I finessed hearts losing to the queen. To my dismay, RHO produced a fourth diamond and LHO overtook and cashed out for down one.
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