[goobers]

(1x) - x - (1y) - 2y

(1x) - x - (1y) - p
(2z) - p - (p) - 2y

What is the difference?

[pclayton]

Never thought about it, but I'd say a King to an Ace difference. Assuming the x's and y's are

1♦ - dbl - 1♥ - 2♥

and

1♦ - dbl - 1♥ - pass
2♣ - pass - pass - 2♥

I'd bid 2♥ on the 1st holding: ♠Qxx ♥AQJxx ♦xx ♣xxx

On the 2nd, ♠xxx ♥AQxxx ♦xx ♣xxx looks right to me.

[whereagles]

auction 1 should show a stronger hand
auction 2 is more like a distributional hand

[FrancesHinden]

Auction 1 is stronger.

(although it's hard to think of a hand that can't double 1y but is prepared to bid 2y next round - so it's also possible in an inexperienced partnership that 4th hand is worried that partner will misinterpret 2y on the first round)

[goobers]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 12 2007, 01:04 PM, said:

Auction 1 is stronger.

(although it's hard to think of a hand that can't double 1y but is prepared to bid 2y next round - so it's also possible in an inexperienced partnership that 4th hand is worried that partner will misinterpret 2y on the first round)

Ah okay, I think your explanation in parentheses describes what was actually meant at the table. Takeout doubler was relatively weak player, 2S bidder a very strong player.