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#21 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2007-December-11, 11:02

I agree with all that Frances said about the problems of doubling. In particular I agree that double followed by double shows a strong takeout double. And I also agree that 2DX passed out is generally not good news.

Codo, on Dec 11 2007, 11:18 AM, said:

It continues after 2 X with:

1. pass pass pass: You bid 2 Spade and show a hand which is not just about spades but which does not want to defend 2 Diamond X.


After pass pass pass you bid 2S? Sounds good!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-11, 11:05

Without a regular multi defense, I bid a natural 2.

With my regular multi defense, I double to show a better multi hand of at least intermediate strength.

With the ACBL standard defense, I hate doubling - lots of problems if it comes back around to you. And if RHO has the spade preempt, at least you'll have half of a chance of saving a good score.
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Posted 2007-December-13, 12:22

If you play Multi vs. Multi you can double the 2 diamond bid, to imply an opener with spades, or an opener with hearts or a 2NT opener or 19+ HCP at least 444 in three suits (if you play this option).

The subsequent auction is complex but if you and your partner have it down pat, then the opps 2 diamond multi bid becomes easy to handle.

Against Mini Multi the Multi vs Multi structure is even safer since you don't have to worry about a 2NT opener in the opener's hand.

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Posted 2007-December-14, 11:42

Hannie, on Dec 10 2007, 04:45 PM, said:

Dealer: East
Vul: Both
Scoring: IMP
KQ7xx
KQJx
 
AJ10x

(2*)-??]
Playing against two devilish opponents
I had this bidding problem from Hell.
2 was mini-multi,
showing a poor, undisciplined weak 2 in a major.
Your agreement is that double shows
13-15 balanced or a strong hand,
the rest is natural.
What is your call?


Codo, on Dec 11 2007, 09:57 AM, said:

double is easy. What can go wrong? I just need good follow ups.

2 Spade can work too of course, but this hand is not just about spades, it is about three suits and/or NT.

I would love opps who pass this hand :)


IMO 2=10, _X=6, _P=4, 2N=3

A possible problem with _X is that 2X= may not compare well with 6= at other tables :)
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Posted 2007-December-14, 16:16

I bid 2S, partner passed, I made 5 and my opponents made fun of my partner. The usual.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-December-17, 14:27

I'd double. One added good thing that can happen is that the opps might not have an agreement about the difference between pass and redouble, which may make it harder for them to get out in diamonds. I'm not saying that this is WHY I'd double...just that it is an added horse that I can win on. My plan is to treat this as 13-15 balanced.

If for some reason I misunderstood the options and I am supposed to have more than xx in diamonds for this, then I would bid 2.
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