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If we have 0 points then we know partner has 16+ and passed over 1N. Thus we know he doesn't have shape and is balanced. If we have 14 points ourself we can have bigger fits because partner can pass 1N with a shapely 4 count. Thus the more points partner has the less likely it is that we catch a big fit, or partner with some shape.
Balance?
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Posted 2007-December-09, 18:49
Jlall, on Dec 9 2007, 06:33 PM, said:
If we have 0 points then we know partner has 16+ and passed over 1N. Thus we know he doesn't have shape and is balanced. If we have 14 points ourself we can have bigger fits because partner can pass 1N with a shapely 4 count. Thus the more points partner has the less likely it is that we catch a big fit, or partner with some shape.
We already have the shape.
What we do not want is partner with shape.
I'd much rarher that partner have some sort of 4432 or 4333 16-17 count than a hand with something like 5314 pattern.
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Posted 2007-December-09, 19:02
kenrexford, on Dec 9 2007, 07:49 PM, said:
Jlall, on Dec 9 2007, 06:33 PM, said:
If we have 0 points then we know partner has 16+ and passed over 1N. Thus we know he doesn't have shape and is balanced. If we have 14 points ourself we can have bigger fits because partner can pass 1N with a shapely 4 count. Thus the more points partner has the less likely it is that we catch a big fit, or partner with some shape.
We already have the shape.
What we do not want is partner with shape.
I'd much rarher that partner have some sort of 4432 or 4333 16-17 count than a hand with something like 5314 pattern.
I would take my chances with a random 5431 partner over a random 4333 partner any day. He is not always specifically 5-3-1-4. I would also love to have a 5-5 partner or a partner with a 6 card suit. These things are not possible if he has passed 1N and we have 0 points.
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Posted 2007-December-09, 19:27
Damn I wish I had one of those hand generator things.
I mean, if I'm going to take a position that is admittedly WAY out there, I at least want to check to see if I am even close to accurate. LOL
I mean, if I'm going to take a position that is admittedly WAY out there, I at least want to check to see if I am even close to accurate. LOL
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Posted 2007-December-10, 03:35
Every time you take one HCP away from your own hand you distribute one extra HCP among opps and p. How large a fraction of that HCP does p have on average? The fact that RHO is limited to 7 HCP gives p the lion's share since if he had 7 already, the extra HCP is not going to him. Let's say just for the sake of argument that p gets 0.6 HCP on average (I should be able to say something more intelligent about this but it's early in the morning and my housemate kept me awake most of the night with his snoring). Then Ken's argument is valid if 0.6 HCP over the strong hand is better than 1 HCP under the strong hand.
Anyway, I think even if Ken's argument is valid, Justin's argument trumps it. Obviously the importance of Justin's argument depends on our agreements/style over opps 1NT. What has p denied by not overcalling?
Anyway, I think even if Ken's argument is valid, Justin's argument trumps it. Obviously the importance of Justin's argument depends on our agreements/style over opps 1NT. What has p denied by not overcalling?
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Posted 2007-December-10, 19:53
This reminds me of a hand i played this year in the Junior Euro in Jesolo:
The auction was identic , i doubled and my p passed. I thought that being a passed hand the double wouldn't stay that much of a time. Wrong.
Scoring: IMP
The auction was identic , i doubled and my p passed. I thought that being a passed hand the double wouldn't stay that much of a time. Wrong.
Nuno Dâmaso