[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

ps-(4♥)-ps-(ps)
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1. Would you pass also on first seat?
2. If you passed, would you call 4♠ now?

[helene_t]

I would open under these circumstances, if 1♠ does not conform to our style it would be 2♠.

4♠ now.

[whereagles]

I'd pass because pard, who's short on hearts, didn't dbl. So he's broke.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 I would open 2S.
#2 No.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[ArtK78]

Just because pard didn't double a vul 4♥ opening when he rates to be short in hearts doesn't mean he is broke. And we don't have to make 4♠ to come out ahead on this auction.

I bid 4♠ now.

Of course, I would not have passed in first seat. But that is not the issue.

[whereagles]

ArtK78, on Dec 6 2007, 03:15 PM, said:

Of course, I would not have passed in first seat. But that is not the issue.

Actually, it is an issue. If you had opened, you could now pass without a qualm.

[ArtK78]

whereagles, on Dec 6 2007, 10:42 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Dec 6 2007, 03:15 PM, said:

Of course, I would not have passed in first seat.  But that is not the issue.

Actually, it is an issue. If you had opened, you could now pass without a qualm.

Who took my qualm?

[jdonn]

I like 4♠ now, high risk high reward but I think it rates to work out. Also I don't mind passing to begin with since usually you can overcall spades at a low level next round, but if I must open then I much prefer 2 to 1. I am not so much into 5 card weak two bids as I used to be, I think it often makes it too hard for partner to judge where to play when it's our hand.

[gwnn]

reminds me of my unfavorable adventure

2♥(5-5)-p-3♥-p
4♥-p-p-4♠

+790 and 4♥ was an easy make (and yes, my hand was worth 3♠)


I'd try 4♠ here also, but I'm not that confident.

[Echognome]

With three baby hearts... color me yellow, err... actually green. I'm using that card because there's no yellow card in my box.

[neilkaz]

I open this hand 2♠ which I feel actually preempts decently. But I don't mind a 1♠ opening either, but certainly dislike the initial pass.

At these colors after passing initially I have a slight preference to bid 4♠, but would pass at any other colors.

[keylime]

Somebody's short in hearts, and pard didn't double. I'm passing, and wondering why I didn't open initially.

[benlessard]

Clear 2S opening. Bidding 4S is bad. At Mp hoping for -500 or -300 is a good gamble but at imps its a dubious tactics. Do you really think a double swing game is possible ?

Chance for making a phantom sac are more likely then finding a super cheap save. Here are possible result.

they make game

we are -4 = -5 ***
we are -3 = +3 ***
we are -2 = +8 or (+11) **
we are -1 = +11 *


they dont make game.

we are -3 = -12 *
we are -2 = -9 (-5) **
we are -1 = -5 (-4) ***

()= they dont X us.

Its possible we are down 2 and they dont X us. But its also possible that they go down more then 1 (vulnerable undertricks) or that they bid 5H anyway and make it. Also it wouldnt suprised me that S break really badly and we go down 5. Or that they dont make game and we are -4.


*** = more frequent
** = less frequent
* = rare

[Walddk]

I go active when I have to choose between active and passive. 4♠ it will be. I don't mind the initial pass. It's not quite good enough for 1♠ in my view, and 2♠ has too many flaws.

Roland

[Fluffy]

I agree with Helene.