[Echognome]

Scoring: MP

2NT - P - 3♣ - Dbl
ReDbl - All Pass

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Result: -1600

This hand was written up in the bulletin as an interesting play problem for how to take all 13 tricks playing in NT. However, a couple of my friends, who wanted to remain anonymous, told me this was the auction at their table.

South thought ReDbl showed first round control.

North thought ReDbl was an offer to play showing HHxxx or better.

[CSGibson]

I agree with North's interpretation.

[mike777]

an offer to play that I reject as north, south could have less.
top bottom bridge

north seems to live in fantasy land, please show where this is our 100% agreement.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

if you make a bid, which is not discussed in
the partnership, and the bid backfires, than
the guy, who made the bid is responsible.
Hence South.

As it is, I think, that using XX to show first round
control in given sequence is plain stupid, we have
not found a fit yet, and South thinks the partnership
needs already to check for first round control?
South should bid 3D, or 3NT, depending on their
agreement, and even if 3D would promise a 4 card
suit, partner will understand that this maybe best
if South has worries about clubs.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Halo]

I would have taken redouble as a suggestion to play, and turned it down.

40% South and 60% North.

[the hog]

Its an offer to play and of course you accept and pass. For heaven's sake, you have a doubleton club opposite pd's decent 5 card suit AND two probable entries to lead towards it. If you don't accept this invite to play, you never will. 100% South.

[PassedOut]

Never heard of redouble here as anything but an offer to play. You've got to be able to introduce some risk for opponents who double for a lead.

[pclayton]

I ran into the guys that shared the bottom on this board. They made the final.

[benlessard]

XX is an offer to play. AKx doesnt qualify for me. But im probaly not passing with north anyway.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Dec 3 2007, 05:59 AM, said:

Its an offer to play and of course you accept and pass. For heaven's sake, you have a doubleton club opposite pd's decent 5 card suit AND two probable entries to lead towards it. If you don't accept this invite to play, you never will. 100% South.

Thank you! Absolutely automatic pass as north. Make them pay. I expect making and +1 to be the two most common results. A doubleton club is more than you expect on this auction, and you have an ace, a king, and probably will even get a ruff with one of your clubs. He's right, if you don't pass now then why are you even playing XX as an offer to play?

[kenrexford]

South is insane.

[ArtK78]

Just out of curiosity, how did the play go? If the defense doesn't play hearts reasonably early in the hand, there is a chance to make 3♣xx - losing only 4 club tricks.

I guess they have enough time to break hearts even late in the hand. But if South had the ♥109 in addition to everything else they would actually score up 3♣xx.

[FrancesHinden]

jdonn, on Dec 3 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Dec 3 2007, 05:59 AM, said:

Its an offer to play and of course you accept and pass. For heaven's sake, you have a doubleton club opposite pd's decent 5 card suit AND two probable entries to lead towards it. If you don't accept this invite to play, you never will. 100% South.

Thank you! Absolutely automatic pass as north. Make them pay. I expect making and +1 to be the two most common results. A doubleton club is more than you expect on this auction, and you have an ace, a king, and probably will even get a ruff with one of your clubs. He's right, if you don't pass now then why are you even playing XX as an offer to play?

Me too.

[mikeh]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 3 2007, 03:07 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 3 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Dec 3 2007, 05:59 AM, said:

Its an offer to play and of course you accept and pass. For heaven's sake, you have a doubleton club opposite pd's decent 5 card suit AND two probable entries to lead towards it. If you don't accept this invite to play, you never will. 100% South.

Thank you! Absolutely automatic pass as north. Make them pay. I expect making and +1 to be the two most common results. A doubleton club is more than you expect on this auction, and you have an ace, a king, and probably will even get a ruff with one of your clubs. He's right, if you don't pass now then why are you even playing XX as an offer to play?

Me too.

me 3

[dburn]

PassedOut, on Dec 3 2007, 10:04 AM, said:

Never heard of redouble here as anything but an offer to play. You've got to be able to introduce some risk for opponents who double for a lead.

In some partnerships I play here that redouble shows about this kind of club holding (perhaps a fourth club would be advisable). Pass shows either a strong inclination to play 3♣ redoubled or no desire whatever to play 3♣ redoubled but no descriptive call to make for the moment (three of a suit, including diamonds, shows five). Responder will redouble unless he doesn't want to play 3♣ redoubled even if opener does. In that case he will proceed as if opener had bid 3♦.

This seems to combine the "make 'em pay" approach with the "don't let them mess up your normal auction" approach fairly well. It has had a good success rate on the occasions it has occurred at the table.

[han]

kenrexford, on Dec 3 2007, 12:19 PM, said:

South is insane.

me 4.

[whereagles]

there's some rule about avoiding zeroes. an undiscussed rdbl is asking for trouble, even if it's technically imppecable

[PassedOut]

dburn, on Dec 3 2007, 03:44 PM, said:

PassedOut, on Dec 3 2007, 10:04 AM, said:

Never heard of redouble here as anything but an offer to play. You've got to be able to introduce some risk for opponents who double for a lead.

In some partnerships I play here that redouble shows about this kind of club holding (perhaps a fourth club would be advisable). Pass shows either a strong inclination to play 3♣ redoubled or no desire whatever to play 3♣ redoubled but no descriptive call to make for the moment (three of a suit, including diamonds, shows five). Responder will redouble unless he doesn't want to play 3♣ redoubled even if opener does. In that case he will proceed as if opener had bid 3♦.

This seems to combine the "make 'em pay" approach with the "don't let them mess up your normal auction" approach fairly well. It has had a good success rate on the occasions it has occurred at the table.

This does sound like a good agreement to have in an established partnership. Thanks.