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mikeh, on Dec 6 2007, 07:06 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Dec 5 2007, 02:45 PM, said:

beatrix45, on Dec 5 2007, 02:58 AM, said:

6♣.  3NT should be running clubs and two or three other cards.  Either major suit king is enough to give us a good play for six ♣- seven clubs and six hearts or seven clubs along with ♠ AK and ruff and back to the ♥ A.  Another possibility is seven clubs plus ♦ AK and ruff plus major suit aces.  ♥ or even a ♠ finesse might be there.  No point in being cute in the bidding, I sure don't want to draw a trump lead.

Perfect reading!

Partner held ♠Kx ♥Jx ♦xx ♣AKQxxxx

We ended up playing 3NT wich went 2 quick off, while there was slam on 3 strains (Everything onside)

So what was the point of this post? To show that your partner is either an idiot or simply profoundly ignorant?

Fluff passed, he was the idiot

[Fluffy]

mikeh, on Dec 6 2007, 06:06 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Dec 5 2007, 02:45 PM, said:

beatrix45, on Dec 5 2007, 02:58 AM, said:

6♣.  3NT should be running clubs and two or three other cards.  Either major suit king is enough to give us a good play for six ♣- seven clubs and six hearts or seven clubs along with ♠ AK and ruff and back to the ♥ A.  Another possibility is seven clubs plus ♦ AK and ruff plus major suit aces.  ♥ or even a ♠ finesse might be there.  No point in being cute in the bidding, I sure don't want to draw a trump lead.

Perfect reading!

Partner held ♠Kx ♥Jx ♦xx ♣AKQxxxx

We ended up playing 3NT wich went 2 quick off, while there was slam on 3 strains (Everything onside)

So what was the point of this post? To show that your partner is either an idiot or simply profoundly ignorant?

The whole point was to share a IMO difficult problem with people and find out if passing 3NT was a popular alternative or not.

And what was the point of your last post?

[helene_t]

Now that I originally stated that I hoped my 4♠ bid was non-forcing, it would be consistent to pass 5♣.

But p can't have anything less than Kx-xx-Kx-AKQxxxx so I suppose we should at least bid 6♣, maybe even make a grand try. So the conclusion is that if 4♠ was non-forcing I should have bid 4♣.

[dailo]

how about 5♠?
I think 5♠ should be slam forcing, and let partner choose.

[bhall]

4N

If partner has stretched to bid 3N, we are still OK. If he has the classic hand (♠Kx ♥x ♦Axx ♣AKQ10xxx), we rate to take 12 tricks in ♣, and with all primes he should cue 5♦. But in my experience, partner NEVER has the classic hand.

[neilkaz]

4♠ and WTP ? regardless of what 3NT means. I have a 2 bullets and am showing a distributional major hand with more ♥ than ♠ (no way I'd bid 4♠ if 4-4 in majors)

Also 4♠ is 100% forcing and SI for me.

[Raivis]

1H rebid minimal hand for me is only Axxx in hearts.

With hands Kx/x/Axx/AKQTxxx or Kx/xx/Kx/AKQxxxx we have normal forcing bid 3C.

[Raivis]

With hand Kx/Jx/xx/AKQxxxx im bidding nonforcing 2C.

[Fluffy]

Raivis, you will soon discover that your standard is considered highly artificial around here.

[ArtK78]

I mentioned in a different thread sometime ago that some players play that a jump rebid of a minor suit is forcing. That treatment works well in a hand like this one.

Now, to say that seven solid clubs and an outside King is a simple nonforcing 2♣ rebid is a little out there.

[beatrix45]

Several points:
1. The actual hand was one card (ace or king) short. It did have the requisite running club suit. It would have brought home 3NT with the extra card.
2. 4♠ cannot be forcing - gimmie a break - the 3NT rebid defines a rather specific hand - responder's next bid usually places the contract or asks for aces.
3. When you hear this auction, and it is passed out at 3NT, lead out your ace or king looking for an unstopped suit.

[Fluffy]

Reverse by an unlimited hand being non-forcing is something that won't enter my head, no matter how hard you try.