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#1 User is offline   Aberlour10 

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Posted 2007-November-28, 18:21

I get quite often in troubles after such opening playing in polish tournaments vs polish club partnerships. Do you know useful defence against it? links? infos?

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Posted 2007-November-29, 01:35

A funny one is: dbl = the other 2 suits...
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Posted 2007-November-29, 03:16

Hi,

First this is certainly not a B/I theme.

Second, I would suggest, that you play the
same defence as against Multi.
May not be perfect, but ...

We play

X = bal. 12-14 or +18
direct suit overcalls are limited to 15
delayed overcalls after pass are 15-17
2NT is nat. 15-17, no stopper for a specific
suit needed (this is of course different to
2D multi, a direct 2NT promises stoppers
in both mayors)
If partner overcalls in a mayor, treat the other
mayor as their suit.
If I remember it correct Wikosz 2D promises
a 2-suiter with at least one mayor.

I have encountered Wilkosz 2D only once,
so I cant really say the above suggestion
will work, but ...

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Posted 2007-November-29, 11:17

I usually play something like...

X= takeout, including both minors and hands with over 17 hcp
2M= natural and constrstuctive but not forcing (up to about 18 hcp)
2NT= 15-17 hcp balanced
3m= Natural and up to about 15 hcp

Pass then....
X= Penalty oriented, always with a 'runout' suit. For example, after 2♦-P-2♥-P-P, I X with...

x
KJTx
AJTxx
ATx

Switching around any of the suits besides hearts. Partner can leave it in, or run with a total bust.

Pass then 2NT over 2♠ or 2♠ over 2♥ is a 4 cards in the other major and usually 11-14 hcp.

This has the advantage of being natural, and using pass-then-X as penalty.

Dunno who else uses it, can't even remember where I learned it.
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Posted 2007-November-29, 11:21

I used to play a nuts defense to this where all doubles were cardshowing showing that suit bid, regardless of nature of the call.

These days, Multi defense.
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Posted 2007-November-29, 12:46

How about: double = takeout of diamonds (includes monster hands), pass then double = takeout of the last bid suit, the rest natural? It may not be optimal, but looks pretty straightforward. And after all, you need some expectance of a fit to want to compete (or tons of high cards to play game on strength).

As a side note, probably you should err on the side of caution, even if you play quite aggresively otherwise. Wilkosz is a 55 two-suiter, so foul distributions are very much alike ...

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P.S. Whether forementioned takeout doubles might or might not contain (un)equal level conversion type hands is worth a discussion of itself. But this is the beginner/intermediate thread after all ...
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Posted 2007-December-03, 05:55

I suggest this theme to be moved to non-natural systems or something.

Whatever the defense you apply, let me say that it is usually not a good idea to look for 4 - 4 fits after this opening bid. Rather be conservative about your suit contracts and try for 3NT a lot.
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