[jugarul]

Scoring: IMP

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PAS - (pas) - 1NT - (2♥) -
??

[Codo]

I see these possibilities:

1. If you play lebensohl and slow shows, bid 3 NT. This shows a hand with enough stuff for 3 NT but no stopper.

2. If you don´t play lebensohl, try 3 ♥ and hope that this asks for a stopper.

3. If you have no other bid, try 3 NT and pray.

4. There is no 4. choice.

[FrancesHinden]

Umm.... I see two possibilities:

i) If you play double as take-out, double
ii) Otherwise, bid 3C natural and forcing.

[brianshark]

I wouldn't take-out double or show the ♣ suit. I'd just ask for a stopper in whatever methods you use.

[Walddk]

FrancesHinden, on Nov 23 2007, 11:38 AM, said:

Umm.... I see two possibilities:

i) If you play double as take-out, double
ii) Otherwise, bid 3C natural and forcing.

What she said. Regarding i), if your negative double promises four spades, use option ii). For me a negative double just shows cards, a hand that has values for a raise to at least 2NT.

An option iii) is 2NT as showing clubs (Rubensohl or Rumpelsohl) followed by 3♥ as stopper asking.

The trouble with ii) and iii) is that you can't penalise 2♥ if that is what partner thinks is best. Could well be at this vulnerability and that is why a double would be my first choice.

Roland

[whereagles]

If you can ask for a stopper, do it. Otherwise just bid 3NT.

[FrancesHinden]

whereagles, on Nov 23 2007, 12:01 PM, said:

If you can ask for a stopper, do it. Otherwise just bid 3NT.

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I wouldn't take-out double or show the ♣ suit. I'd just ask for a stopper in whatever methods you use

I really don't get this.
You are a passed hand, so partner will never get too exited and think you are looking for slam.

What is the downside from showing the club suit?
- they might not lead a club from, say, a 2614 hand. To me that risk is so small as to be ignorable
- your LHO is able to bid hearts at the 3-level. yes, that's a risk - but if LHO has a heart raise, isn't it quite likely we don't want to play in 3NT anyway? The biggest risk is that they find a save in 4H, but with us at favourable that's less of an issue.

What is the benefit of showing the club suit?
- You get to play in a contract other than 3NT. Perhaps partner has AQJx Qx Axx Qxx. Or Ax Axx KQ9xxx Qx. Or (if possible for your methods) QJ10xx Axx AKx Jx. And if partner has a double heart stop, he's perfectly allowed to bid 3NT.

[whereagles]

Frances, minors are for kids

[skjaeran]

I'd make a forcing ♣ bid - whatever would show that. This enables us to get to our best game. That might be 3NT, 5♣ or even 4♠. There's absolutely no reason to hog the hand at IMPs.

[skjaeran]

whereagles, on Nov 23 2007, 12:41 PM, said:

Frances, minors are for kids

I'd say it's the other way around. Kids play majors or NT, whereas mature players consider minors when that is correct.

[mike777]

jugarul, on Nov 23 2007, 03:00 AM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ K84 ♥ 63 ♦ JT3 ♣ AK542

PAS - (pas) - 1NT - (2♥) -
??

I assume you play Lebensohl so:
Bid 3c game force and natural or just bid 3nt.....this problem is very common and comes up all the time.

Who needs stinking stoppers.

[ArtK78]

Bid 3♣ forcing.

If partner cannot bid 3NT over 3♣, you probably do not belong in 3NT.