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Hannie, on Nov 20 2007, 11:29 AM, said:
SO am I right in that you would bid 2H with an "honest" raise but 1NT with a hand that many beginners would pass?
Yes (think I even wrote this in my first post).
Best Response - SAYC BBO Style One NT non-forcing; 2H not constructive
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Posted 2007-November-21, 09:05
It would be nice if we could see all four hands along with the results.
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Posted 2007-November-21, 10:24
cherdano, on Nov 20 2007, 12:46 PM, said:
mikeh, on Nov 19 2007, 05:19 PM, said:
If I bid 1N and LHO bids 2♠ (and there is no hand with which he bids 2♠ over 2♥ and not over 1N),
One can argue what is right, but I think your statement is very wrong for a lot of players. There are many hands with which they would "prebalance" (OBAR and all that) over 1H p 2H but pass over 1H p 1N.
(And before you start your "if they bid that badly, I am going to win anyway" refrain, I will offer a bet that there are world class players who bid more aggressively over 1H p 2H than over 1H p 1N, at least when they have spades and heart shortness.
) Having re-read what I posted, and what you and Justin posted, and thought a little more (not something I do a lot of sometimes), you are right: my statement that there are no hands on which one bids 2♠ over 2♥ and not 1N was wrong
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Posted 2007-November-21, 12:03
I do not understand why some refuse to show fit..sometimes not even when p shows a nonbalanced hand and get 3NT down for exaple...here it is so clear 2!H
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Posted 2007-November-21, 12:56
I like to support with support. 
It's not just the 2♠ overcall that causes a problem for bidding 1NT. Consider:
1♥ - P - 1NT - 2♣
2♥ - 3♣ - ???
It could be right to bid 3♥, but partner could easily take that for a 3-card limit raise. And it might be more comfortable for partner to be making the call over 3♣ in any case. Not to mention that after 1♥-P-2♥ it's possible the opponents might never have found clubs -- while it can pay to bid aggressively over a raise, you're also pushing them one level higher.
Even in uncontested auctions you might run into trouble:
1♥ - P - 1NT - P
2NT/3NT - P - ???
It's not clear whether you actually want to be in game, nor is it clear if you want to play in hearts or notrump. You're potentially better placed by raising hearts right off, since partner will bid 4♥ himself if he prefers the suit game, and if partner tries notrump you can pass him there happy that you've shown your hand.
It's not just the 2♠ overcall that causes a problem for bidding 1NT. Consider:
1♥ - P - 1NT - 2♣
2♥ - 3♣ - ???
It could be right to bid 3♥, but partner could easily take that for a 3-card limit raise. And it might be more comfortable for partner to be making the call over 3♣ in any case. Not to mention that after 1♥-P-2♥ it's possible the opponents might never have found clubs -- while it can pay to bid aggressively over a raise, you're also pushing them one level higher.
Even in uncontested auctions you might run into trouble:
1♥ - P - 1NT - P
2NT/3NT - P - ???
It's not clear whether you actually want to be in game, nor is it clear if you want to play in hearts or notrump. You're potentially better placed by raising hearts right off, since partner will bid 4♥ himself if he prefers the suit game, and if partner tries notrump you can pass him there happy that you've shown your hand.
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Posted 2007-November-22, 05:30
I'm happy passing in both those situations.
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Posted 2007-November-22, 18:12
lilboyman, on Nov 21 2007, 08:05 AM, said:
It would be nice if we could see all four hands along with the results.
Three times 2♠ making 3
Once 2♥ down one
Once 1NT down one
Once 4♥ down three
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Posted 2007-November-23, 18:33
For those who bid 1NT, what do you do when partner raises to 3NT? Do you bid 4H or Pass?
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Posted 2007-November-23, 18:52
arthh, on Nov 23 2007, 05:33 PM, said:
For those who bid 1NT, what do you do when partner raises to 3NT? Do you bid 4H or Pass?
Pass. Both partners think NT is the spot. I have NO ruffing trick. wtp?
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Posted 2007-November-28, 11:32
Nothing is more important than establishing a fit. It's not rocket science, raise partner and bid 2H. Unless you are playing 2H as constructive (in which case you'd have to use 1NT forcing which isn't a part of SAYC) if your hand is worth a bid the only choice is raising partner.
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Posted 2007-November-28, 14:17
Nothing is more important than establishing a fit. It's not rocket science, raise partner and bid 2H. Unless you are playing 2H as constructive (in which case you'd have to use 1NT forcing which isn't a part of SAYC) if your hand is worth a bid the only choice is raising partner.
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