[TylerE]

Scoring: MP

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Playing 2/1 with a solid partner, little/no system/style discussion. ACBL MP tourney.

Auction:

1♠ - 2♥
3♣ - 3♥
4NT - 5♠ (2+Q)
6NT - ??

[jonottawa]

I think we've arrived. (Calling this hand freakish is an overbid.)

[vang]

pass. wtp???

[hrothgar]

Most obvious pass that I have ever seen...

Yes, you have some extra length for partner, but you don't have the foggiest idea whether or not you are missing an Ace.

Moreover, while your heart suit is very nice, you don't have anything on the side.

Anything other than pass is incomprehensible.

[gwnn]

vang, on Nov 9 2007, 09:19 PM, said:

pass. wtp?????????

i corrected your post

[bid_em_up]

Pass and put down our 8 tricks proudly.

We have exactly what we said we have, good hearts with 2 keycards (for hearts) + heart Q, do we not?

If 6N goes down, it isn't our fault, and we certainly have no reason to override partners decision. If it makes 7, oh well, we still have no business bidding it ourselves.

[FrancesHinden]

I expect that we have a lot more than 12 tricks, but as everyone else says the opponents get to go first and if partner's bidding can be trusted they have an ace to take.

Actually, you know virtually for certain that partner has misbid, because I can't see how he can both count 12 tricks AND know we are missing an ace AND not care about our solid hearts (most of the hands construct we have 13 top tricks if our HK were the DA). But I don't know in what manner partner has misbid, so that doesn't help.

[ArtK78]

If a 5NT bid by opener would have promised that the partnership holds all of the key cards, then his failure to bid 5NT indicates that one may be missing. So you have no choice but to pass 6NT. You could be off an ace.

You will probably make all 13 tricks if they don't take their ace, but that is certainly not a good reason for bidding again.

And if partner is void in hearts, then he is also void in brains.

[TylerE]

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Ok, I'll admit I jokered it and raised to 7, where we have 13 tops. Probably not a good bid, technically, but hey, we had had about a 25% game after 6 boards, and we needed some matchpoints. 1520 was worth a 95%

[mikeh]

Obviously, partner has misbid, but how many here have an agreement about rebidding 4♥ over 3♣?

My recollection is that such an unnecessary jump, when we are forced to game, promises a no-loser suit. Now, that isn't the same as an 8 trick no loser suit, but it would make it easier for opener to make the correct 5N bid, knowing that partner will bid 7 with 'extra' heart length.

[han]

Passsss

[FrancesHinden]

Jlall, on Nov 9 2007, 09:23 PM, said:

We are unlimited and if partner is competent we are off an ace. That being said I would be very tempted to raise to 7 with most people I play with lol (and would probably chicken out because of the fear of getting fired). Even if we're off an ace they have to lead it, and a ton of the time we're not even though we should be.

I was thinking through the 'if we're off an ace they have to lead it' but that lead me to thinking of a different problem

Opponents bid

1S 2H
3C 3H
4NT 5S
6NT 7NT

partner doubles

is that asking for a spade or a heart?

I realised I am not sure...usually it would ask for a heart, but a heart lead is pretty common in this auction anyway, so maybe it should be a spade...

[Halo]

Agree with Mikeh. We have failed to show our solid suit and it's now a guess.

[pclayton]

mikeh, on Nov 9 2007, 12:50 PM, said:

Obviously, partner has misbid, but how many here have an agreement about rebidding 4♥ over 3♣?

My recollection is that such an unnecessary jump, when we are forced to game, promises a no-loser suit. Now, that isn't the same as an 8 trick no loser suit, but it would make it easier for opener to make the correct 5N bid, knowing that partner will bid 7 with 'extra' heart length.

sA jump to 5 hearts should show a solid 8 bagger I think, since a jump to 4 is proably a 7 card suit.

If we have all the key cards, pard needs to bid 5N and let me join in the decision making. s

[jdonn]

FrancesHinden, on Nov 9 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

I was thinking through the 'if we're off an ace they have to lead it' but that lead me to thinking of a different problem

Opponents bid

1S 2H
3C 3H
4NT 5S
6NT 7NT

partner doubles

is that asking for a spade or a heart?

I realised I am not sure...usually it would ask for a heart, but a heart lead is pretty common in this auction anyway, so maybe it should be a spade...

In theory I'm sure it is supposed to ask for a spade, not so much because partner might lead a heart anyway as because if partner has the heart ace on the auction he is almost certain to get it whether you lead it or not.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, wtp?

Did you show your hand? Yes
Are you sure, that all Aces are on board? No

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Nov 9 2007, 08:23 PM, said:

We are unlimited and if partner is competent we are off an ace.

Very true. This particular pard should have bid 5NT over 5♠, no matter what that means. Then you'd have an easy 7♥ because of the extra heart length.