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The auction starts:
1♣* - 1♦** - pass - 2♣***
2NT - pass - 3♥?
1♣ = 17+HCP, any distribution
1♦ = ♥ or (♠+♣)
2♣ = P/C
(Partner pass shows 0-6HCP, otherwise he'd bid)
What would you take 3♥ for?
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What do you take this 3H bid for?
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Posted 2007-November-05, 03:28
I'm assuming the rule that system is on as long as no suit (other than clubs by opps) has been indicated and NT has not been doubled.
It is possible that it should depend on the meaning of the failure to bid over 1♦. In my IRL partnership, responder can still have a semipositive with five hearts, so system is on.
It is possible that it should depend on the meaning of the failure to bid over 1♦. In my IRL partnership, responder can still have a semipositive with five hearts, so system is on.
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Posted 2007-November-05, 03:41
System meta-rules suggest this is a transfer.
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Posted 2007-November-05, 05:53
transfer. i see no reason not to play "stayman" + transfer here.
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Posted 2007-November-05, 11:20
Gerben42, on Nov 5 2007, 12:41 PM, said:
System meta-rules suggest this is a transfer.
What he said:
(Notrump module applies)
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Posted 2007-November-05, 11:51
It's the first natural bid by the partnership so yeah transfers.
I once had this auction
1♦ 1♥ P P
1NT p 2♥
Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.)
I once had this auction
1♦ 1♥ P P
1NT p 2♥
Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.)
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-November-05, 12:36
In my world the bidding has gone ...
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
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Posted 2007-November-05, 13:00
Walddk, on Nov 5 2007, 01:36 PM, said:
In my world the bidding has gone ...
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
I like this logic
Squeeze me
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Posted 2007-November-05, 13:10
cjames, on Nov 5 2007, 09:00 PM, said:
Walddk, on Nov 5 2007, 01:36 PM, said:
In my world the bidding has gone ...
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
bla bla bla bla
2NT
System on, 3♥ is a transfer.
Roland
I like this logic
Seriously, the auction so far is in effect ...
bla 1) I have something. I'll tell you later
bla 2) I have something. I may tell you later.
bla 3) I have nothing. I may tell you how "much" later.
bla 4) I may have something if you have something.
2NT
So ignore bla 1 through 4 and start from scratch
Roland
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Posted 2007-November-05, 15:38
jdonn, on Nov 5 2007, 12:51 PM, said:
It's the first natural bid by the partnership so yeah transfers.
I once had this auction
1♦ 1♥ P P
1NT p 2♥
Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.)
I once had this auction
1♦ 1♥ P P
1NT p 2♥
Partner thought 2♥ was a transfer and we got into trouble, I feel this should not be a transfer even in the opponents' suit, because the partnership made a natural bid in a suit before bidding notrump. In fact I held xx QJT9x xx xxxx as responder (or something like that.)
This auction is different because here both the pass and the 1D call carry some natural meaning (I mean, say something about shape). I'm not sure if 2H should be to play here. Typically a cuebid on your next opportunity after passing reveals a strong hand that was penalty passing. I agree with you that such a hand can typically just bid 3NT so natural 2H may be better, but it is dangerous to try this at the table.
But it should not be a transfer in any case.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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