[kfay]

Scoring: MP

(2♠)-X-(3♠)-X
P-?

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Excited that you finally have classic takeout double shape you double 2♠ (agree??...) and partner makes a responsive double. What's your move now?

[pclayton]

4 card suits up-the-line is the normal protocol for answering responsive doubles and I see no reason why this isn't the case here.

4♣ for me.

[han]

4C.

[kfay]

No one's saying if they agree with the takeout of 2♠.

[han]

Yes Kevin, I agree with the takeout double.

This hand is quite minimal but I can't imagine passing.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Nov 1 2007, 10:36 PM, said:

4 card suits up-the-line is the normal protocol for answering responsive doubles and I see no reason why this isn't the case here.

4♣ for me.

Sounds good to me. I don't think pass is ridiculous with opponents vul at mps, but I can't bring myself to do it.

[Winstonm]

The double is bare minimum, but O.K. I would pass this double at matchpoints.
Keep in mind that the higher the bidding the less "pure" become this responsive double and the more "card showing" it becomes - somewhat of a "too much to pass" bid than a re-takeout.

I would take partner to have too much to pass, around 10-11, and because of my good quick tricks would try for the magic +200 here. It sounds like partner holds 3 spades so we are unlikely to have better than an 8-card fit.

At imps, I'd take some insurance and bid 4C, although pass is probably the right call there, too, on average.

[Codo]

1. Clear cut double. perfect shape and 12 HCPs.

2. It is mps and they are red, I pass, because I won´t get rich in 4 club anyway. If pd has enough for this (or even for 5 Club) to make, we will get a great result defending 3 Spade. If pd had Axx,x,Qxxxx,KQxx I apologisze.

[Edmunte1]

4♣ for me, pass is for the young and the restless

[whereagles]

Easy 4♦, to follow-up with 5♣ eventually, should things develop in that direction. If pard doesn't have diams, he'll have hearts and will correct.

[Fluffy]

kfay, on Nov 2 2007, 03:48 AM, said:

No one's saying if they agree with the takeout of 2♠.

I wouldn't had doubled.

[P_Marlowe]

kfay, on Nov 1 2007, 10:48 PM, said:

No one's saying if they agree with the takeout of 2♠.

The t/o was fine, given your shape,
you may even remove the Jack and
your 10s and I still would do it, so the
t/o is min, but it still could be worse.

And you can assume, that if the t/o would have
been terrible, you would have read some criticism,
so the silence is positive.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

The LOTT suggests bidding a minor: 18 tricks and 4m= is worse than 3SX-1 but 5m= is better than 3SX-2 and 4m-1 is better than 3SX=.

Not sure which minor, though.

[Winstonm]

helene_t, on Nov 2 2007, 06:54 AM, said:

The LOTT suggests bidding a minor: 18 tricks and 4m= is worse than 3SX-1 but 5m= is better than 3SX-2 and 4m-1 is better than 3SX=.

Not sure which minor, though.

Helene,

I don't see where you find 18 total tricks - the raise to 3S suggest 3-card support, which leaves parter with 3 spades, makings a 3244 more likely.

On this basis, there would be 17 total tricks; if we can make 10 tricks in a minor, LOTT suggests they can make only 7 tricks; however, most likely we can make 9 tricks while they can make 8 - and on a bad day 9.

[helene_t]

My bad, I was thinking of p having 2344, but if opps can be trusted you're right.

So I suppose pass is best choice at matchpoints.

Now Larry Cohen agrees with Winston, they must be right then

[whereagles]

If pard is 3244 (likely), we got an SST of 3 and all it takes is 19-21 WPs to make 4m. I got 15 and pard rates to have at least 5, probably 8-9. Heck, this is closer to bid 5m than to pass 3♠X.

Of course, mike lawrence can be wrong... lol.

[Winstonm]

If we can make 11 tricks, LOTT would suggest they can only make 6-7 tricks.
+800 or +500 would be better than +400, even if we make.

[helene_t]

Lawrence can be right but the SST/WP argument is hardly relevant because you need to know if 3♠ will make against our 4m-1, and how much 3♠ will go down against our game. I suppose you could apply SST/WP if you were willing to estimate the SST/WP of opps as well.

It's a misconception that SST/WP is an alternative to the LOTT. It has a completely different scope.

[Halo]

Pass.

I think partner probably is 3244 or 2344. I don't like my chances at the five level. I do have reasonable defence.