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#1 User is offline   drinbrasil 

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Posted 2007-October-31, 05:06

Scoring: IMP

opps silence
1♣ - 2♣
3♣ - ?
2♣ is invite or better
3♣ is minimum (12-13), without singleton, at least 4clubs.


options:
bid stoper ♥ denie stoper ♦, bid stoper ♠ denie stoper ♥ and ♦.

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Posted 2007-October-31, 07:02

i'll try 3nt and pray.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 07:04

I would show all three stoppers with 3 NT. Second choice is pass, but I like even non vul games.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 07:25

3NT, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised 3♣ were the limit.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 10:48

What were partner's other options over 2♣? Could he have shown a stopper or two? Would a side-suit bid have been a cue bid?

At IMPs, I do not want to dismiss the possibility that 5♣ is our best game. The methods you are giving to me give me a significant problem, as they are all geared to getting to 3NT. If that is my only option, I would bid 3NT, but I will not be happy about it.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 10:52

Agree with 3NT and agree that the methods are not optimal.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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  Posted 2007-October-31, 11:22

3NT here. No need to try to make a probing call when it's likely the shortcut game desired. 5♣ should NEVER enter the equation here.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 11:32

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Posted 2007-October-31, 12:03

3NT should have chances. Much more so than 5♣. So I'll try 3NT. Pass is too wimpy IMO.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 12:10

keylime, on Oct 31 2007, 12:22 PM, said:

3NT here. No need to try to make a probing call when it's likely the shortcut game desired. 5♣ should NEVER enter the equation here.

Never say never. Anytime my partner shows 4 or more clubs and I have 6, and we are playing IMPs, 5♣ does enter the equation. It is still unlikely, however.

Suppose partner holds:

K9x
K9x
xxx
AKxx

What contract would you like to play now? Certainly not 3NT. 5♣ isn't that great, either, but it has some play.

For 3NT to be reasonable, partner has to have something in each of the side suits. And the something in diamonds had better be at least QT9 if not more. Unfortunately, the auction is end-playing you into bidding beyond 3♣, and 3NT seems the most obvious choice of games without any additional information.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 13:08

ArtK78, on Oct 31 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

What were partner's other options over 2♣? Could he have shown a stopper or two? Would a side-suit bid have been a cue bid?

At IMPs, I do not want to dismiss the possibility that 5♣ is our best game. The methods you are giving to me give me a significant problem, as they are all geared to getting to 3NT. If that is my only option, I would bid 3NT, but I will not be happy about it.

afte 2♣ partner can:
minimum hands:
with 3 clubs 2NT
with 4+ clubs 3♣
with singleton jump to 3♦/♥/♠

with better hands can bid side suit (can be 3 cards, stoper only) and is FG.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 14:54

drinbrasil, on Oct 31 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Oct 31 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

What were partner's other options over 2♣?  Could he have shown a stopper or two?  Would a side-suit bid have been a cue bid?

At IMPs, I do not want to dismiss the possibility that 5♣ is our best game.  The methods you are giving to me give me a significant problem, as they are all geared to getting to 3NT.  If that is my only option, I would bid 3NT, but I will not be happy about it.

afte 2♣ partner can:
minimum hands:
with 3 clubs 2NT
with 4+ clubs 3♣
with singleton jump to 3♦/♥/♠

with better hands can bid side suit (can be 3 cards, stoper only) and is FG.

On a minimum hand with a singleton and 4+ clubs he jumps to 3 of his singleton?

So, all that we know is that he has no singleton, 4 or more clubs and a minimum in high cards.

Best guess is 3NT, but, again, I am not happy.
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