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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:00
Playing 2/1 and thus forcing NT, what does 1 ♥ - p - 1NT - p - 4♦ show by opener? (Other than a desire to put pard to a guess.... )
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:07
I have never heard this sequence. Unless one has put a conventional meaning to it, it must be natural - at least 6-5, probably 6-6, clearly forcing.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:08
Must be a one-suiter that has something to say about diamonds. Maybe an auto-splinter, that's what it means in one of my partnerships.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:27
Most play this as an autosplinter. Typically shows a hand just short of a 2♣ opener with values to play game opposite a minimum 1N response.
It invites further bidding if responder has a suitable hand facing diamond shortness.
Once upon a time, this showed a big 2 suiter, but the only pairs that usually play this are strong clubbers.
Check with your partner what 1♠ - 1N - 4♥ means.
It invites further bidding if responder has a suitable hand facing diamond shortness.
Once upon a time, this showed a big 2 suiter, but the only pairs that usually play this are strong clubbers.
Check with your partner what 1♠ - 1N - 4♥ means.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:32
Auto-splinter is standard.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:39
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Posted 2007-October-26, 12:43
I play it as a good 11-14's 6-5 or 6-6. Over 1 ♠ , 4♣♦♥the same. but dont know what is standard.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 13:05
I play this auction as a one suiter, self splinter, strong slam try, forcing to 4♥ (hearts are good for one loser at most on this auction for me). I searched through one large BridgeBrowser Database and found this specific auction occurred 44 times.
Seven times the 4D bidder held a void (five different deals). On four of the five deals, the 4D bidder had a one suiter, the other it was a 3 suiter (4-5-0-4)
12 times, the 4D bidder had a singleton (12 unique deals).
Once it was a doubleton with a one suited heart hand
Once it was tripleton AQJ on a 3-5-3-2 hand with Kxxxx in hearts the rest of the world opens 2NT
It was never a four card diamond suit
15 times it was a five card suit (14 unique hands)
8 times it was a six card suit (4 unique hands).
So 17 times it was a splinter, 18 times it was a two suiter. Not sure if that helps.
Seven times the 4D bidder held a void (five different deals). On four of the five deals, the 4D bidder had a one suiter, the other it was a 3 suiter (4-5-0-4)
12 times, the 4D bidder had a singleton (12 unique deals).
Once it was a doubleton with a one suited heart hand
Once it was tripleton AQJ on a 3-5-3-2 hand with Kxxxx in hearts the rest of the world opens 2NT
It was never a four card diamond suit
15 times it was a five card suit (14 unique hands)
8 times it was a six card suit (4 unique hands).
So 17 times it was a splinter, 18 times it was a two suiter. Not sure if that helps.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 13:37
inquiry, on Oct 26 2007, 02:05 PM, said:
So 17 times it was a splinter, 18 times it was a two suiter. Not sure if that helps.
In SAYC or 2/1, I would interpret it as an autosplinter.
Playing Precision, I would say it was a *weak* two suiter, with at least 12 cards in the two suits. The reason why you'd want to bid such a hand so high should be obvious. It can't be an autosplinter because, well, hands that strong should open 1 club. Mostly.
I can't say it's ever come up for me.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 13:40
I would not dream of suprising my partner with that bid, since we have never talked about it. If he did it to me (he wouldn't) I would guess it was a diamond control, most likely splinter, and a wish to investigate the heart slam.
Btw, Inquiry, where can we find that BridgeBrowser Database? Sounds like an interesting way to spend a couple of hours.
Btw, Inquiry, where can we find that BridgeBrowser Database? Sounds like an interesting way to spend a couple of hours.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 13:51
I have always assumed an autosplinter/selfsplinter.
As I consider the case, however, I wonder if a better meaning might not be the sole meaning never found on bridgebrowser, namely a four-card diamond suit (with solid hearts).
That auction would parallel the auction 1♣-P-1M-P-4♣. I would imagine that this might be of greater utility, as it might have a better chance of enabling the discovery of a slam, when the four-card suit hits a fit.
Just a musing...
As I consider the case, however, I wonder if a better meaning might not be the sole meaning never found on bridgebrowser, namely a four-card diamond suit (with solid hearts).
That auction would parallel the auction 1♣-P-1M-P-4♣. I would imagine that this might be of greater utility, as it might have a better chance of enabling the discovery of a slam, when the four-card suit hits a fit.
Just a musing...
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Posted 2007-October-26, 14:10
dicklont, on Oct 26 2007, 01:40 PM, said:
Btw, Inquiry, where can we find that BridgeBrowser Database? Sounds like an interesting way to spend a couple of hours.
http://www.microtopia.ca/bridge/
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Posted 2007-October-26, 14:43
Yes, autosplinter.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:11
Hannie, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 PM, said:
Yes, autosplinter.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Does that indicate that Arend is the better declarer in your partnership?
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2007-October-26, 16:01
skaeran, on Oct 26 2007, 04:11 PM, said:
Hannie, on Oct 26 2007, 10:43 PM, said:
Yes, autosplinter.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Against sleepy opponents you could agree that it shows a hand that would like to play 4H from partners side.
Does that indicate that Arend is the better declarer in your partnership?
It does not.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 10:54
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