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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2007-October-30, 05:39

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Opponents are silent.

1♣ - 1♦
2♣ - ?

If 3♣ is forcing then this is not a problem, but is that common? Anyhow, you are pretty sure that this partner will not consider 3♣ forcing here, so what do you do?

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Posted 2007-October-30, 05:47

I have never heard of playing 3C as forcing here. Anyways, I'd probably bid 3C. Could miss a NV game but bidding 2S is pretty sick, and this could be our last plus (we need AK of clubs + stoppers in both majors from partner for game, and for him to have a pass of 3C. Possible, but it's also possible we have no game).
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Posted 2007-October-30, 06:01

I think p stops the majors. He must have points somewhere, and the nonvul opps are silent. I'll bid one of the major to get 3N in p's hand.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 06:06

easy 2 spades
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Posted 2007-October-30, 06:46

easy 3 Club bid, this is always nonforcing. PDs hand is some 3316 or so. We will make game opposite Axx,Qxx,x,AKxxxx, but with this hand he will bid after my 3 Club bid.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 07:13

3C, slight underbid but without stoppers in either major game looks far off.

BTW, Arend and I used to play 3C as forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 11:14

With pet pard: 2♥, artificial 3rd suit forcing.
With random pard: 2♠ and hope for the best.

Although there are hints game is not there, I'm not going to mastermind this because opener is still rather undefined. For instance, he might have as little as

KJx
Qxx
x
AJxxxx

with game on a finesse. And that's not nearly the best hand he can have which would pass a 3♣ or 3♦ bid.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 12:12

whereagles, on Oct 30 2007, 12:14 PM, said:

I'm not going to mastermind this.....

!!!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 12:22

I like 3♣ as well. We have a pretty soft holding in the majors and will need a lot of help there to make 3NT.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 12:23

Hannie: what's so strange about that? Contrary to common belief, masterminding is a technical thing, not a personality disorder. This is the wrong hand to mastermind.. lol
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Posted 2007-October-30, 13:04

Jlall, on Oct 30 2007, 12:47 PM, said:

I have never heard of playing 3C as forcing here.

Ask Helgemo-Helness or Brogeland-Sĉlensminde. I'm believe they both play this sequence as forcing. (I know they play 1♣-1♦-1M/N-2♣ as slammish.)
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  Posted 2007-October-30, 13:50

whereagles: what do you think the masterminding bid on this hand would be?
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Posted 2007-October-30, 13:55

cardsharp, on Oct 30 2007, 06:39 AM, said:

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Opponents are silent.

1♣ - 1♦
2♣ - ?

If 3♣ is forcing then this is not a problem, but is that common? Anyhow, you are pretty sure that this partner will not consider 3♣ forcing here, so what do you do?

Paul

Across from the junk my partners open on this is barely an invite with 3clubs.
Not close to game forcing.

BTW I was told this past week by all my pick up partners that this is why a jump 3D rebid is game forcing and that is how they all made me play it. Is this standard in the f2f real world?
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Posted 2007-October-30, 13:56

Justin and I would own this hand.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 17:07

I think I'm just too good for 3♣.

Matt and I play 3♣ as forcing here with 2♥ starting invitational sequences.

I'll show my "stopper" of 2♥. Hopefully we can get out at 4♣ if necessary.

By the way, I think there's a good chance that the major suits are splitting pretty evenly for the opponents since nobody overcalled.
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Posted 2007-October-30, 17:43

Good point Phil.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-30, 18:01

3C

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Posted 2007-October-31, 02:51

This was from a partnership bidding room and I bid 3♣, albeit concerned that my hand was pretty good. However, like others, partner could have a pretty poor hand opposite.

This time he held ♠Axx ♥AQx ♦x ♣AJxxxx and bid 3NT which looks a comfortable place to be, even though 5♣ is the better contract.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 03:38

Blofeld, on Oct 30 2007, 07:50 PM, said:

whereagles: what do you think the masterminding bid on this hand would be?

3♣ or 3♦, both natural invites.

I would say those bids gamble that, unless pard has extras, game will not be there. I don't think the hints in that direction are strong enough to justify such a unilateral action.
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Posted 2007-October-31, 04:20

I think you're misusing the word "unilateral". An invitational bid may show astoundingly poor judgement, but it's asking partner for an opinion - and thus can't be unilateral.
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