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Poll: easy question (35 member(s) have cast votes)

easy question

  1. obvious pass (2 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  2. pass but it is close (5 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  3. obvious 2S (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  4. 2S but it is close (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  5. 1NT (nonforcing) (26 votes [74.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.29%

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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:26

Scoring: MP

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Disclaimer: this is not an ‘expert’ question but I would like to hear how the experts think. :)

Why do you bid or pass?


edit: oops the poll questions are messed up
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:39

U sure you got this right? The only bid besides pass that I could think of isn't 2.. it's 1NT.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:50

I do not like to offer a raise with only 2 trumps so this leaves 1NT. You might have a H game here or even 4S if partners hand fits. For example consider if partner happens to have KQxxxx x AKxxx and lesser hands with AQ10x of D, 2 pups in C.

There are many hands that might produce game that do not even fall into the j/s group. Game that will let 4S make and 4H is not out of the photo either. You might bid 1NT and find partner making a j/s in H, that would make you a happy camper.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:54

Obvious 1NT.

The reasons:

1. I have an Ace. Partner may very well have a four-loser hand. With an Ace, if he has a minimum hand, he probably will be down one, but the benefits outweigh the costs.

2. I have very good spade tolerance.

3. I would love a 2 rebid from partner.

4. I would like a 2 rebid from partner (if we play 1NT non-forcing or if 1NT forcing yields 2 only if 4+ in diamond).

5. I have a defensive value, such that partner's possible late double won't be upsetting.

6. I have a plan if partner rebids 2, whether natural or (semi-)artificial.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:57

Hi,

first of all a disclaimer from my side,
I am surely not an expert.

if you play forcing NT, 1 NT has some
attractions, it is some what preemptive,
it has the chnace of improving the contract,
even reaching game (4H),

In case 1NT is nonforcing, it would not
be an option for me, the one thing I dont
want to hear is 2NT.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 08:58

Partner goes on with 5-losers; 6-losers with one deep. So okay toward our game.
But the common win is 2S ending the auction where we want to play.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:00

I suppose I might bid 2 if 1-X-P, but I play that as a weak raise. Suit/Lead and all.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:01

Easy 1N.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:18

1nt is non forcing in my system
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:23

1N for me too. Rather routine.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:24

In order of importance:

We may have a game or even slam (this is the main reason for bidding).

We may have a better contract in hearts, notrump or even diamonds.

None of partner's rebids put us in a terrible spot.

We may prevent the opponents from finding a good contract by bidding.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:28

It is kind of funny. The same posters who open on almost anything also respond on almost anything.

I think it is very close between pass and 1NT (forcing). At IMPs, you have to respond because you can't afford to miss a game when partner has a hand just short of a 2 opening. At matchpoints, pass is much more likely to be right. Any response could get you too high unless partner has hearts.

So, at IMPs, I would bid 1NT. But at matchpoints it would depend how I felt at the time.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:39

ArtK78, on Oct 26 2007, 03:28 PM, said:

It is kind of funny. The same posters who open on almost anything also respond on almost anything.

It's modern bidding :) "In quick, out quick."
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:42

All the bridge players I respect most never pass an opening bid with an ace. When you consider that the ace is in partner's suit, and you have a five card major in which you might find a fit, passing is completely criminal. I pass more opening bids than almost anyone I play with, and you wouldn't catch me dead passing this hand.

Hannie's post pretty much sums it up, except I would reverse the order of his third and fourth points.

I just saw the poll, 2? Why would anyone psych at their first turn to call just because they are already minimum?
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:46

ArtK78, on Oct 26 2007, 09:28 AM, said:

It is kind of funny. The same posters who open on almost anything also respond on almost anything.

I don't know anyone who has posted so far and opens on almost anything.

What I think is funny are those who respond with any balanced 6-count, but pass with Ax in partner's suit and a 5-card major.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:02

jdonn, on Oct 26 2007, 08:42 AM, said:

I just saw the poll, 2? Why would anyone psych at their first turn to call just because they are already minimum?

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2 is less of a psyche than 1nt.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:03

PANG!
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:09

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2 is less of a psyche than 1nt.

jilly, since then people have realized that such a definition is not practical. These days an ace is all it takes to bid 1NT. Regardless of where it is.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:11

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 06:02 PM, said:

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2 is less of a psyche than 1nt.

Nonono ! With 6 points you can hardly be expected to stop the unbid suits. Besides, since 2 of a new suit promises at least 11(10) points, with (5)6-9(10) and less than 3-card support, the only option is 1NT. People bid 1N with KJxxxxx in hearts and out.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:17

helene_t, on Oct 26 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 06:02 PM, said:

Disclaimer: I'm going to be shot down in flames for this.

Coming from where I first learned the game, (local community night school) - 1nt promised '6 points and stoppers in all unbid suits' so 2 is less of a psyche than 1nt.

Nonono ! With 6 points you can hardly be expected to stop the unbid suits. Besides, since 2 of a new suit promises at least 11(10) points, with (5)6-9(10) and less than 3-card support, the only option is 1NT. People bid 1N with KJxxxxx in hearts and out.

Oops, thats another option I left off.
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