[blackshoe]

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The alert chart is meant to be read and interpreted by people with general understanding of bridge bidding.

The alert chart makes assumptions about what constitutes "general understanding of bridge bidding". Those assumptions are unlikely to be universally valid, and in any case have no place in an alert regulation.

A 13 count "weak two bid" in fourth seat wouldn't surprise me at all. It would surprise a good percentage of the members of my local Tuesday club game.

A 17 count "weak two bid" in fourth seat would definitely surprise me. For me, such a hand borders on "too strong to overcall at the one level". Calling it a "weak two" is ridiculous.

I think the TD who told Adam to "call me back if it comes up" had his head up his ass.

[Mbodell]

blackshoe, on Oct 27 2007, 03:02 PM, said:

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The alert chart is meant to be read and interpreted by people with general understanding of bridge bidding.

A 17 count "weak two bid" in fourth seat would definitely surprise me. For me, such a hand borders on "too strong to overcall at the one level". Calling it a "weak two" is ridiculous.

I think the TD who told Adam to "call me back if it comes up" had his head up his ass.

But did anyone call it a weak 2? With most of my partners, playing standard American, we've played that in the fourth seat when passed to preempts are very, very conservative/constructive (since no need to go negative when you can get 0) and that 2 bids in particular are not preempts and are stronger than 1 bids (unlike in any other seat). 16-20 points or 6 LTC and 6+ cards in suit.

[cherdano]

Mbodell, on Oct 28 2007, 12:48 AM, said:

But did anyone call it a weak 2?  With most of my partners, playing standard American, we've played that in the fourth seat when passed to preempts are very, very conservative/constructive (since no need to go negative when you can get 0) and that 2 bids in particular are not preempts and are stronger than 1 bids (unlike in any other seat). 16-20 points or 6 LTC and 6+ cards in suit.

I don't know what the standard range for 2M in 4th seat. I play s.th. like 10-12, but other seem to think 11-13 or 12-14 is normal.
(Edit: In particular, 2M is weaker in standard than 1M-2M.)

I think your treatment is sufficiently non-standard that I would alert it (if I ever played it).