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Distributional but intermediate values

Poll: What is your call? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your call?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. 2C (18 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  4. 2H (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  5. 2S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is online   paulg 

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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:23

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1♦ - (1♠) - ?

You are South. Partner opens 1♦ and RHO overcalls.

A hand from my BIL session this evening. There was much debate over the best call now and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:26

2♣. I intend to bid hearts later.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:32

I have no freaking idea what's best, I would try 2♥ but its easy to see how it can turn disastrous.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:41

Double, I wish to let partner know I probably have the other two suits as soon as I possibly can. Then if he bids one, I can be reasonably certain we have found our best fit.

I'm willing to bid clubs later, treating this more like a 4-6 hand due to the poor quality in the heart suit.

Evidently, the BIL's aren't the only ones who will have a lot of debate on this one.

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Posted 2007-October-22, 14:51

Agree with Gonzalo's sentiments but I chose Charles' line, without any conviction.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 15:25

I would bid 2C and gamble on them not bidding 4S next, but I certainly understand 2H and don't know which is better. My clubs are so much better and I have a shot at getting to pattern out so I'm just going to bid the clubs and hope. I really don't want to play a 5-2 heart fit ever.

The bid I really really REALLY dislike is double, it leaves you horribly placed and your hand is well worth bidding 2C now so doubling and bidding clubs is an underbid anyways.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 15:40

I think the most sensible action is 2♣. If pard tries 2♦, 2♥ nicely describes this, even though its a mild overbid.

If LHO bids 2♠, I'll try 3♣. If pard insists on 3♦ we have a 3♥ call.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:01

2C, though 2H is fine as well.
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:32

2♣ for me with a great 6 carder to bid rather than bidding my mediocre 5 card ♥ suit. The most likely game for our side (noting that we usually have a decision to make over 4♠) is 5♣.

A negative double shows both suits, but here, we have so much distribution and PD won't expect it if we double. Therefore, I prefer 2♣
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Posted 2007-October-22, 16:47

I'm in the 2C camp as well - seems most descriptive and least likely to cause much harm.

The main reason I'm against 2H is that it endplays partner in the bidding when I don't have enough hand to justify that action - If he's got something like xxxx, KJ, AKJxx, xx he is pretty well screwed over 1D-(1S)-2H-P-?
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Posted 2007-October-23, 05:31

I was in the 2♣ camp too, and now it will go 2♠ on your left and passed back to you.

Phil is for 3♣, any others?
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Posted 2007-October-23, 05:42

2♣, then after 2♠ p p, 3♥.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 06:38

I bid 2C here, and 3H when 2S is passed back to me. I strongly prefer just to bid my suits in the natural order when I possible can; if I need to call this hand a game force in order to do so, then I will.

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and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion


Let us know what they say when you hear from them...
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Posted 2007-October-23, 08:13

FrancesHinden, on Oct 23 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

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and I said I'd ask the 'experts of the world' for their opinion


Let us know what they say when you hear from them...

The BILlies were equally sceptical ... in fact, I didn't dare publish their thoughts of 'experts'. Interestingly one attendant expert was (appropriately silently) adamant that 2♥ was the only call.

I'll resume my dictatorial role for the future.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 09:47

I bid 2♣ then hearts at my next turn up to 4. This works very badly if the next bid is 4♠, which is the one real time it works better to bid hearts first, so I don't knock that choice too hard. Double is not an option.
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Posted 2007-October-23, 10:57

2♥ + some nr. of clubs, unless a misfit is hinted.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 05:07

:P Thanks for the lesson everybody. :) I was going to double, but after reading this thread, 2♣ stands out as the clear winner, and clubs as our most probable strain. All I need from partner for game in clubs is: Axx in ♣ and KQ in ♥. Even so, partner could easily be 6-4 in ♦ and ♠, and the hand a horrible misfit. So, keeping the bidding level low at this point makes sense.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 05:48

I opted for 2C because that's what my hand looks like. It would be really convenient if double showed a hand this extreme, but it doesn't for me.

Like others I will bid 3H over 2S. If I had been given the problem as what do you bid over 3S when partner passes 2C, I suspect I would pass.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 08:58

If I play NFB 2 Club followd by 3 Heart is an extrem nice describtion of this hand.

If 2 Club was meant as forcing and I guess it was, then 3 HEart shows this hand with an additional ace somewhere and I would go the slow route and bid 3 Club as Phil.
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