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1♣=3+ cards

W____N____E____S ____ A/
Pass_Pass__1♣_Double
Pass__2♠___Pass__?

W____N____E____S ____ B/
_____Pass__1♣_Double
Pass__2♠___Pass__?

W____N____E____S ____C/
Pass_Pass__1♣_Double
Pass__1♠___Pass__?

W____N____E____S ____ D/
_____Pass__1♣_Double
Pass__1♠___Pass__?

What's your bid here, and is there any change with different vulnerability? If You have not standard methods -please explain (I realy want to know)!

[han]

I don't think that there is much difference between A and B and between C and D.

What you do after the 1S advance depends on agreement. Traditionally the raise to 2S shows game interest but I think quit a number of people play that it doesn't. If it only shows a sound doubler with 4 spades then obviously I'd bid it.

Over 2S I'd try for game by bidding 3S. 4S seems too much, passing seems too little.

[ArtK78]

I would bid 4♠ on both A and B unless we are playing a light opening system, in which case I would raise to 3♠.

Since I play that a raise is obligatory when the doubler has 4 card support, I would bid 2♠ on both C and D. I don't think that my hand is worth any more than a minimum action after doubling.

[Fluffy]

clear pass on A and B, on C and D it is also clear unless you wanna psyche

[ArtK78]

Fluffy, on Oct 18 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

clear pass on A and B, on C and D it is also clear unless you wanna psyche

What would you have for a jump to 2♠ as a passed hand?

[jdonn]

I would bid 3♠ on the first two, just barely worth an invite.

The second two don't belong in a bidding problem since it's a matter of agreement. If a raise is at all invitational you pass, if it just shows 4 you raise.

[the hog]

Agree with Gonzalo at MPs. At Imps I bid 3S on a and b.

[awm]

Say you passed in first seat or second seat with a hand like one of these, then heard 1♣ on your left and a double from partner:

♠KQxxx
♥Axx
♦xx
♣xxx

♠KQJx
♥KJx
♦xxx
♣Jxx

What's your call? I would certainly bid 2♠, and both these hands offer good play for game opposite the example double. Unless you would open these hands, or make some other call than 2♠, shouldn't you at least try 3♠ with the doubling hand? You do want to bid a game that's on a finesse through opening bidder after all.

I agree with Josh Donn... but I'd be closer to 4♠ than pass over a 2♠ jump from partner.

[Codo]

We had this discussion before and will have it again. It simply depends on your style after a double from partner.
In the SEF world, 1 Spade shows 0-7 and about 4 Spades and 2 Spade shows 8-10, exactly 4 Spades. If you play this approach, pass is as easy as a compound squeeze in C and D and the percentage play in A and B.

If you play the other style, where 2 Spade is forward going and can contain hands like Adams examples, you must at least invite with hand A and B.

[the hog]

awm, on Oct 19 2007, 12:31 PM, said:

Say you passed in first seat or second seat with a hand like one of these, then heard 1♣ on your left and a double from partner:

♠KQxxx
♥Axx
♦xx
♣xxx

♠KQJx
♥KJx
♦xxx
♣Jxx

What's your call? I would certainly bid 2♠, and both these hands offer good play for game opposite the example double. Unless you would open these hands, or make some other call than 2♠, shouldn't you at least try 3♠ with the doubling hand? You do want to bid a game that's on a finesse through opening bidder after all.

I agree with Josh Donn... but I'd be closer to 4♠ than pass over a 2♠ jump from partner.

Adam would you seriously pass your first example? Wouldn't you open 2S?

[Fluffy]

Roland said it, we play French style where 2♠ denies 5 cards (you can lie if you upgraded your hand of course).

[dake50]

With eg 2C for 10+, 5-suit next, 2S =10-12, 4S.

Try 1D (cheapest new suit (CNS) below 2S) as an artificial force --an artifact from EFOS system. This clears other bids ambiguity.

Or 1D (CNS) as Herbert neg. This bottoms other bids to a useful 7-8. And, on bust responses lets likely tenaced take out doubler declare low.

I like xfer responses to takeout double. At least xfer to Majors with an odd bid to choose minor. This guarantees a second bid to partition 0-6/8-10/11+ or suit +stop or suit +suit. And super -accepts promote for fit.

[whereagles]

agree with hoggie (GASP!)

[ArtK78]

Adam's style is my style, hence my 4♠ bids in A and B.

[skjaeran]

I'd just barely raise to 3♠ on A and B.

C and D are clear raises to 2♠ in my world.

[jdonn]

I have to admit Adam's examples are convincing. I change from "barely 3♠" to "3♠".