[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     3♠    4♣
 4♥    5♣    5♠    Pass
 Pass  Pass  


Comments on the bidding please

[jtfanclub]

Ummm...pre-empts work?

I'm still no expert, but I'd been either side I'd have been very, very happy with the bidding. To complain about any of the bids would be result mongering, IMHO.

[jillybean]

I'm not complaining, just wondering if anyone would do anything differently

[Codo]

I strongly disagree with 5 Spade, a horrible bid. I would prefer 5 Heart, this is the suit where you have a fit.
I strongly disagree with the final pass. You must hammer them and see blood.
Okay, just two down, but better doubled then not.

[helene_t]

3♠: OK, but given E's next bid he didnt think 3♠ was agresive enough, so apparently he should have opened 4♠

4♣: I think 4N is better.

4♥: Maybe this should show spade tollerance but otherwise OK

5♣: OK

5♠: Impossible. Preemptor does not bid again. Leave it to p to sac.

Pass: OK

Pass: OK

Pass: Must double, S will then pull

[jtfanclub]

Codo, on Oct 5 2007, 09:38 AM, said:

I strongly disagree with 5 Spade, a horrible bid. I would prefer 5 Heart, this is the suit where you have a fit.

Bleah. The 7 card suit KQJT9 is a fit, even across a void. And across a void, those spades are worthless in a heart contract but gold in a spade contract. Playing in hearts here is the kind of mistake I made...once. After seeing a 7 card suit headed by the KQJ go down the toilet because I didn't have any entries, I'll never do that again.

[jdonn]

Some would disagree but I think north is just about worth 4♠ instead of 5♣. 4♣ shows a GOOD and shapely hand, and the bidding makes it likely partner has a diamond sidesuit which is gold for north's hand.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Oct 5 2007, 06:36 PM, said:

Some would disagree but I think north is just about worth 4♠ instead of 5♣. 4♣ shows a GOOD and shapely hand, and the bidding makes it likely partner has a diamond sidesuit which is gold for north's hand.

Some might disagree maybe - I'm not one of them. On the contrary, I strongly agree with 4♠ by north.

[jillybean]

If North had doubled 5♠ does South have an automatic 6♣ bid?

[the hog]

I find it hard to believe that Nth -Sth do not reach 6C. I would bid 4NT as south over 3S. Now Nth can look at the golden 4 clubs to the Q and the D K and bid 6. On the given sequence Nth was still certainly too tame and should cue.
Btw I think the 5S bid is undisciplined; East is bidding his hand twice.

[awm]

I don't understand all the negative comments about east's 5♠ bid. West did not raise spades to four; he bid hearts. This is very different. The heart bid requests east's participation in the auction; by introducing a new suit, west has suggested a possible contract in hearts. East's hand is much better opposite heart length -- he has three card support, which will tend to reduce partner's defensive tricks in hearts and also increase his side's offensive values. It is not "bidding the same hand twice" to cooperate with partner here.

I agree with the other comments that south could start with 4NT and that north could bid 4♠ as a strong club raise, either of which makes it much easier to reach slam.

[skjaeran]

Like Adam I disagree with those negative comments about the 5♠ bid. I think bidding 5♠ is almost compulsory with this hand. You expect at least on of the sides to make a 5-level contract with this oneloser suit and 3-card fit with partner. A 6-level save will probably be good against a game contract too, whether opps can make slam or not.

[whereagles]

jtfanclub, on Oct 5 2007, 02:18 PM, said:

I'm still no expert, but I'd been either side I'd have been very, very happy with the bidding.

Not me. N/S are cold for 6♦ and let opps play 5♠ undoubled.

I kinda of disagree with every bid, but ok that's another story.. lol.

[jdeegan]

Imo the terrible result is clearly south's fault. Taking the bids in order:

3♠ - 4♠ would have been much better

4♣ - OK

4♥ - why not?

5♣ - correct bid, but 4♠ is better

5♠ - automatic given the 3♠ opening & heart bid by pard - bidding one more is OK when you have an extra trump, esp. when part bids your three bagger

Pass - Ugggh. Big loser at IMPs - you need to take out insurance against a 5♠ make (it does make even though there are no voids around the table) - some justification for it at matchpoints where you get a near top if you guess exactly right. Bid 5NT in case partner has four diamonds.

[Codo]

skaeran, on Oct 7 2007, 01:40 AM, said:

Like Adam I disagree with those negative comments about the 5♠ bid. I think bidding 5♠ is almost compulsory with this hand. You expect at least on of the sides to make a 5-level contract with this oneloser suit and 3-card fit with partner. A 6-level save will probably be good against a game contract too, whether opps can make slam or not.

I agree about the 5. level, but I see no reason to hide my heart support.
If we need to make a descission at the 6. level, he will be much better placed if I had told him about my support then not.

[skjaeran]

Codo, on Oct 9 2007, 01:22 PM, said:

skaeran, on Oct 7 2007, 01:40 AM, said:

Like Adam I disagree with those negative comments about the 5♠ bid. I think bidding 5♠ is almost compulsory with this hand. You expect at least on of the sides to make a 5-level contract with this oneloser suit and 3-card fit with partner. A 6-level save will probably be good against a game contract too, whether opps can make slam or not.

I agree about the 5. level, but I see no reason to hide my heart support.
If we need to make a descission at the 6. level, he will be much better placed if I had told him about my support then not.

When you rebid 5♠ you DO tell him about the ♥ support. You'd never take another bid in this position without the ♥ fit, so that's implied. Now you tell partner that your ♠ suit is good enough to play without support and that you probably can't use it as a trick source in a ♥ contract. So 5♠ gives a blueprint of your hand.