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Posted 2007-October-06, 15:18

Scoring: IMP


p-p-p-1NT
p-2-p-2
p-3NT-p-4 (agree?)
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LHO leads a small diamond won by RHO's Ace, who fires back another one. Opps don't believe in giving count and lead randomly.
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Posted 2007-October-06, 19:01

Yes, I agree with 4.

A low spade out of hand virtually guarantees the contract.
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Posted 2007-October-06, 23:01

ArtK78, on Oct 7 2007, 03:01 AM, said:

Yes, I agree with 4.

A low spade out of hand virtually guarantees the contract.

I know my question is ridiculous, but could you please elaborate on this?
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Posted 2007-October-06, 23:31

You have 10 tricks - 4 spades, 2 diamonds, 2 hearts and 2 clubs. You just have to make sure that you are able to take your 10 tricks before the opponents take 4. The only real danger is that the opponents can score a diamond ruff or overruff. You need to be able to pull trump while keeping control of trumps and the diamond suit. If you lead a low trump from hand and the opponents take their K, you can ruff a diamond return with the A, pull trump and play A and another club. The A is an entry to your hand to allow you to cash the high club and throw the losing heart from dummy.

If the opponents return a heart instead of a diamond on winning the K, you must win the heart return in dummy so that you keep the A as an entry to your second club trick.

One important point of this hand is that you should not take either the spade finesse or the club finesse.
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Posted 2007-October-07, 09:34

ArtK78, on Oct 7 2007, 07:31 AM, said:

You have 10 tricks - 4 spades, 2 diamonds, 2 hearts and 2 clubs. You just have to make sure that you are able to take your 10 tricks before the opponents take 4. The only real danger is that the opponents can score a diamond ruff or overruff. You need to be able to pull trump while keeping control of trumps and the diamond suit. If you lead a low trump from hand and the opponents take their K, you can ruff a diamond return with the A, pull trump and play A and another club. The A is an entry to your hand to allow you to cash the high club and throw the losing heart from dummy.

If the opponents return a heart instead of a diamond on winning the K, you must win the heart return in dummy so that you keep the A as an entry to your second club trick.

One important point of this hand is that you should not take either the spade finesse or the club finesse.

Good analysis Art!
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Posted 2007-October-07, 17:59

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. This hand is great as a pure lesson hand, eh. When I need to take extra tricks I still tend to want to take every finesse in sight without thinking about it properly, this hand is a good lesson on how not to do that!
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Posted 2007-October-08, 11:10

:lol: Good lesson hand on the importance of counting ones tricks. Looking at losers, it is not obvious. Slow third round potential heart loser can be eliminated.
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Posted 2007-October-08, 11:15

skaeran, on Oct 7 2007, 07:34 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Oct 7 2007, 07:31 AM, said:

You have 10 tricks - 4 spades, 2 diamonds, 2 hearts and 2 clubs.  You just have to make sure that you are able to take your 10 tricks before the opponents take 4.  The only real danger is that the opponents can score a diamond ruff or overruff.  You need to be able to pull trump while keeping control of trumps and the diamond suit.  If you lead a low trump from hand and the opponents take their K, you can ruff a diamond return with the A, pull trump and play A and another club.  The A is an entry to your hand to allow you to cash the high club and throw the losing heart from dummy.

If the opponents return a heart instead of a diamond on winning the K, you must win the heart return in dummy so that you keep the A as an entry to your second club trick.

One important point of this hand is that you should not take either the spade finesse or the club finesse.

Good analysis Art!

Agree. A, is an easy trap to fall into.
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Posted 2007-October-09, 06:07

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Agree. A, is an easy trap to fall into.

Tell me about it. I felt like a dumb penguin after the smoke had cleared. Thanks Art for explaining the hand a little better :lol:
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