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The Misadventures of Rex and Jay #5645 How Happy Are You?

#1 User is offline   microcap 

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Posted 2007-October-03, 06:07

In first hand, you are dealt this interesting collection:

Scoring: IMP


You open 1♦, pesky vulnerable LHO makes a 2♣ overcall, and partner makes a negative double. RHO passes and now it is your second turn.

1) What is your rebid?

2) How do you expect the auction to go?

3) Are you happy or unhappy with the events so far?

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Posted 2007-October-03, 06:18

1. 2♦

2. I expect partner to rebid 2NT and I'll pull this to 3♦. If partner is able to show a major, I'll get excited.

3. I'm fairly happy with the auction so far. The 2♣ overcall has improved my hand significantly (LHO's Clubs spots aren't going to take much on defense) Furthermore, partner was able to show both majors.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 06:24

Bidding 2♦ as well. If pard pulls this to 2M, I'll raise. If he bids something else, I bid diams (or pass a 3NT bid).

Feeling great about my bidding :)
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Posted 2007-October-03, 06:37

i make a responsive double

oh

3♣, then.

over 3M i bid 4
over 3N i pass
over 3D i bid 3S and take it from there.

I dunno.. this hand may play very well in 4M even on a moysian

(second choice is 3d... i think this hand is too good for 2d)
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Posted 2007-October-03, 07:46

Hm, 2♦ seems obvious yet it doesn't describe my hand well enough. I am in a forced position so I could well have 3 more losers in my hand when bidding 2♦.

I can't bid 3♣ as it would mean that I either want to play 3NT if partner stops clubs or that I am 4:4 in the majors (in the last case I'd bid 4♣ over partner's 3NT).

I like my hand so much that I bid 3♦. It means 15-17 with six diamonds but the void in opp's suit is too tempting.

Over 3M from partner now I bid 4M.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 07:54

3♦ for me (limit)
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Posted 2007-October-03, 09:09

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 09:51

1) 2D
2) no idea
3) neither nor

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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:03

pclayton, on Oct 3 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:08

Fluffy, on Oct 3 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 3 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already

Right and he can't double 3♣ for penalty after:

1♦ - 2♣ - dbl - pass
2♦ - 3♣ - ?
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:24

pclayton, on Oct 3 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

Personally, I'd be worried about game in NT after a 2N rebid.

I'm sitting on a 13 count and the hand screams misfit. The partner of the 2♣ bidder couldn't find a raise and I am sitting on a club void.

If partner does have clubs, they weren't good enough to pass the 2♣ overcall and convert.

My Diamonds aren't going to run without a bunch of help from partner. I think that there's too much work to give serious consideration to 3NT.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:43

I rebid 2♦.

If partner bid 2NT over this I'll try 3♣. If partner's got a double club stopper I rate his chances in 3NT as good, so I'll pass 3NT. If partner rebids 3♦ I'll pass, since I don't rate my chances in 5♦ good enough.

If partner rebid 2M I'll raise him to game.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:44

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:46

skaeran, on Oct 3 2007, 11:43 AM, said:

I rebid 2♦.

If partner bid 2NT over this I'll try 3♣. If partner's got a double club stopper I rate his chances in 3NT as good, so I'll pass 3NT. If partner rebids 3♦ I'll pass, since I don't rate my chances in 5♦ good enough.

If you bid 2D and partner raises you won't go? You have a slam opposite Kxxx Axx Kxx xxx, why is partner supposed to bid more than 3D with this hand (I know you could have a balaned 11 count with 5 diamonds easily on this auction). This just seems crazy.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 10:58

Jlall, on Oct 3 2007, 07:44 PM, said:

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).

Hi Justin:

I agree that this hand has a lot of playing strength is a fit is found. However, the hand isn't nearly as good absent a fit. (I think that its likely that partner might have a 4=4=1=4 or maybe even a 4-3=1=5 or some such)

I worry that a 3♦ rebid would overstate the quality of my Diamond suit. I think that partner should expect that the Diamonds will run if he can provide Hx.

2♦ is probably a slight underbid, but it leaves room for partner to introduce a major at the two level or take some other strong action (3♣ or some such).
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  Posted 2007-October-03, 11:15

If I held this hand I go the middle route, the modern 3♣ cuebid. 2D is a slight underbid, 3D is a slight overbid. Why not tell pard you have some interest in BOTH majors?
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Posted 2007-October-03, 11:16

Jlall, on Oct 3 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).

Disagree with your evaluation. RHO's silence hints at either..

- lots of clubs in pard, hence singleton/void diam OR
- lots of pts in pard, in which case you're ok because pard will bid again

Besides, 2♦ allows pard to correct to 2M, something he might not want to do opposite 3♦ with, say, a 4513/4504 and 6-7 hcp
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Posted 2007-October-03, 11:28

pclayton, on Oct 3 2007, 04:08 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Oct 3 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 3 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already

Right and he can't double 3♣ for penalty after:

1♦ - 2♣ - dbl - pass
2♦ - 3♣ - ?

I missed where you said you were bidding 2♦ before doubling, sorry :).
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Posted 2007-October-03, 11:35

keylime, on Oct 3 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

If I held this hand I go the middle route, the modern 3♣ cuebid. 2D is a slight underbid, 3D is a slight overbid. Why not tell pard you have some interest in BOTH majors?

The problem is that 3♣ is not the middle route, it's basically game forcing while at least 3♦ just shows extras.

I agree with Justin this is a very good hand.
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Posted 2007-October-03, 13:01

2D

Very typical problem hand for those who open light.
If we can just get past this round. I can understand 3D.
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