[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 1♥    2♣    2♥    3♣
 4♥    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  

Comments please

[P_Marlowe]

#1 I prefer pass instead of 2C
#2 a t/o X instead of 3C is better, but if
you have any reason, that partner may
interpret X as penalty, 3C is fine
#3 X is purely speculative, but it seems,
that you beat 4H

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Quantumcat]

You don't know how many spades you will get, if any, because partner could have plenty of spades and not want to pre-empt in a ratty suit. Partner doesn't have to have any tricks if he likes to support with support without a hand. Even if spades are 3-3 or 4-3 or something it's only 1 down, the difference between 1 down doubled and 1 down undoubled is nothing in imps but you lose loads when you are wrong (easy to be if you are doubling them based on 1 down). Another problem is if declarer is faced with dropping the king (he could have a ten card fit and lack of entries for example) or finessing, he will now certainly choose to finesse you if it's possible. So in conclusion I disgree with the double. Anyway, this is one of the many topics my partner has lectured me about all week :-)

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on Sep 28 2007, 11:37 PM, said:

#2 a t/o X instead of 3C is better, but if
you have any reason, that partner may
interpret X as penalty, 3C is fine

Why not "support with support" Ok I do have 5♠ but the hand is otherwise poor.

[han]

North has 14 HCP but I don't think I could make myself bid 2C on the north hand.

[jdonn]

2♣ is a terrible bid with that suit, no matter how good the hand is.

Your 3♣ bid was completely normal, 2♠ would be an overbid and X would be misdirected.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Sep 29 2007, 07:41 PM, said:

2♣ is a terrible bid with that suit, no matter how good the hand is.

Your 3♣ bid was completely normal, 2♠ would be an overbid and X would be misdirected.

Agree.

[Mbodell]

I like South's two passes.

I think as North on my first call I'd lean towards pass but would consider, and on some days would bid, 1NT or 2♣. With South's hand I'd x the 2♥ bid and like 2♠ better than 3♣. The double seems aggressive from North and might give away the K♥.

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Sep 29 2007, 08:08 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Sep 28 2007, 11:37 PM, said:

#2 a t/o X instead of 3C is better, but if
    you have any reason, that partner may
    interpret X as penalty, 3C is fine

Why not "support with support" Ok I do have 5♠ but the hand is otherwise poor.

Hi,

you wont outbid mayors with minors,
and spades beat hearts.
And a t/o bid at least shows also tolerance
for the overcalled suit.

But on reflection, having read the comments,
I would say, that a t/o shows a stronger hand,
although the known fit improves the hand.
My recommendation may just be influenced
by seeing both hands.

It is ok to raise, knowingly discarding the t/o option.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

Its frivolous to bid 2 Club. This is just the lol attitude: I have 12 (or like here more) points, I cannot pass. This is not true and 2 Club is evil.

3 Club is hard to critisze. Yes, spades are a major but you should not bid a new suit with so marginal values. These values are even marginal for a 3 Club bid.

I understand the double. You don´t want pd to sacrifice with 5 Club. You have a chance of 4 tricks on your own. You may hope for pd to have a trick.

Actually for me this double looks more or less clear cut.
The old saying is: If they don´t make it once in a while, you don´t double enough.
This time, partners length killed your tricks, spades are 4-1, your king of H was no trick? . My goodness, so what? -590 to -420 is about 5 imps. Could have been worse.

[the hog]

Really dislike 2C. South bid fine.

[jdeegan]

Same advice as everybody else with emphasis.

2♣ is awful because of the suit quality. Pass or bid 1NT if you must bid.

The double of 4♥ is almost as bad. Sure, you can envision four or five defensive tricks, but the opponents say they can make it, probably through distribution. This is not a good bet for a double. Just pass.