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A 13 count. All 13s created equal?

Poll: is this hand a ... (55 member(s) have cast votes)

is this hand a ...

  1. clear opener (50 votes [90.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

  2. borderline, but i'd open (4 votes [7.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.27%

  3. borderline, but i'd pass (1 votes [1.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.82%

  4. clear pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2007-September-28, 03:20



i purposely left out the scoring, colors and dealer. how does your choice vary depending on those factors?
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Posted 2007-September-28, 03:40

13 HCP? When I have that I jsut open my 5 card major, or best minor no matter anything else.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 04:28

Pass is absurd, it's about as close to a strong 1NT as to pass.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 05:31

helene_t, on Sep 28 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

Pass is absurd, it's about as close to a strong 1NT as to pass.

I absolutely disagree.

This is closer to a strong NT then to a pass. :P

IN SEF this is 15 points (13+2) but as there are some downsides, you should downgrade to 1 Club.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 06:00

I think I would open without the ♦Q, but if you took away the ♥J as well, I'd probably pass.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 07:06

after i voted "clear opener", i have checked KNR evaluator and learnt that pass is NOT absurd. this hand equals a "good 11" (faaar from 1NT) and pass is ok if you don't open light.

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Posted 2007-September-28, 07:21

I consider myself a pretty sound opener playing 2/1 or the like. I'd feel quite comfortable opening 1♣, intending on rebidding 2♣ over most possible responses from partner. (I'm torn if partner advances 1♥)

Its interesting that Vang brought up K+R. I'd feel a bit queasy opening 1♣ playing Kaplan - Sheinwold since I don't think that the hand has enough strength for a 2♣ rebid. Playing K-S, I'd either pass or open 1NT. Not sure which is better in the long run.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 09:07

Clear 1C opener and rebid 1NT.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-28, 10:07

Remove the heart jack and passing would still be nuts.

Remove the diamond queen instead and THEN we have a very borderline opener (that I suspect almost all of us would still open.)
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Posted 2007-September-28, 10:19

I was expecting a few more votes for the borderline/bid option...
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Posted 2007-September-28, 10:37

Playing a light opening style this is far from a minimum opener for me. Take away the ♥J or the ♦Q and I still open. Take away both and I'll most probably pass even if I actually open some balanced hand with less playing strength.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 10:51

You are overthinking this one, its 13 and a 6 card suit.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 11:12

Han,
You would rebid 1NT? Why not 2♣?
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Posted 2007-September-28, 11:31

vang, on Sep 28 2007, 07:06 AM, said:

after i voted "clear opener", i have checked KNR evaluator and learnt that pass is NOT absurd. this hand equals a "good 11" (faaar from 1NT) and pass is ok if you don't open light.

http://www.gg.caltec...u/~jeff/knr.cgi

1. KNR doesn't work for NT hands.
2. This is a NT hand.
(1. is a bit of an overstatement, 2. isn't.)
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Posted 2007-September-28, 11:55

Pass? youve got to be kidding.
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Posted 2007-September-28, 21:25

I suspect the punchline is:

NEXT!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-29, 05:10

Hannie, on Sep 28 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

I suspect the punchline is:

NEXT!

you want a punchline, eh.

i was just curious. i consider the hand a borderline opener. i don't think the ♥J or the ♦Q really add that much. i'd probably still open the hand without them...

the hand came up when i was watching a bbo team match and it got passed. this surprised me and outraged another kib. i just thought it was a bit odd.
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Posted 2007-September-29, 06:35

Jlall, on Sep 28 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

You are overthinking this one, its 13 and a 6 card suit.

... and 3 controls.

Passing or even thinking about passing will make sure nobody will play with you!
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Posted 2007-September-29, 07:12

Free, on Sep 29 2007, 07:35 AM, said:

Passing or even thinking about passing will make sure nobody will play with you!

noone does anymore anyway, fred :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-September-29, 07:21

It took me some time, but I found a hand wich I wouldn't open at the 1 level with 13 HCP.

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