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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-September-25, 17:59


Dealer: West
Vul: EW
Scoring: IMP
♠ K
♥ 872
♦ J7
♣ AKJ7632


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  Pass  ?  


Your bid and why please.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 19:15

I'd bid 2♣.

Why? Because I have a M.F. lot of them.

More precisely, though. Not good enough for 3♣, too good to pass.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 19:31

2C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-25, 20:54

kenrexford, on Sep 25 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

I'd bid 2♣.

Why? Because I have a M.F. lot of them.

More precisely, though. Not good enough for 3♣, too good to pass.

Agree.

Although maybe the 'winner's bid' is 3N :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:08

agree with ken (!!!)
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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:14

2♣. I would bid 3 if the king was in hearts instead of spades.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:49

kenrexford, on Sep 25 2007, 08:15 PM, said:

I'd bid 2♣.

Why? Because I have a M.F. lot of them.

More precisely, though. Not good enough for 3♣, too good to pass.

Ken it seems that the whole world is agreeing with you tonite.

With that stiff in the opener's suit this "ain't good nuf" for me to jump to 3♣ either.

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Posted 2007-September-25, 23:15

pclayton, on Sep 25 2007, 07:54 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 25 2007, 05:15 PM, said:

I'd bid 2♣.

Why?  Because I have a M.F. lot of them.

More precisely, though.  Not good enough for 3♣, too good to pass.

Agree.

Although maybe the 'winner's bid' is 3N :rolleyes:

Yep, one South did bid 3nt directly, others got t0 3nt after S bid 3♣


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 1♠    Pass  Pass  2♣
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

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Posted 2007-September-26, 03:10

I think partner owes you a raise.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 03:45

Opposite myself I had been in 2 club too. I can just repeat what others had said before: With te guarded king of spade or this honour in another suit, 3 Club or 3 NT are better, but this hand is just a normal 2 Club bid. And I would never make a game try opposite a balancing bid with a 8 HCP 4423 hand.

Everything fits perfect, bad luck, game missed next board.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 04:32

What Roland said.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 05:00

2C.

The hand is too weak to bid 3C, move the
King of spades to hearts, than 3C would
probably be ok.

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Posted 2007-September-26, 05:02

karlson, on Sep 26 2007, 04:10 AM, said:

I think partner owes you a raise.

No.

Partner should subtract a King, because
I did bid in the passout seat, and if you
take away the King Daimonds, you dont
have a hand worth a raise.

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Posted 2007-September-26, 08:50

1326 is the year of birth of Pope Gregory XII.

1327 is a bridge distribution.


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Posted 2007-September-26, 10:49

MY first though was for 3♣, but devuating ♠K is in order, Both players have maximum values for their bids (or no bids), and this often leads to missed games.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 12:50

P_Marlowe, on Sep 26 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

karlson, on Sep 26 2007, 04:10 AM, said:

I think partner owes you a raise.

No.

Partner should subtract a King, because
I did bid in the passout seat, and if you
take away the King Daimonds, you dont
have a hand worth a raise.

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IBTD.
Take away the ♦K and it's a clear raise of a direct seat 2♣ overcall IMO.
So this is a clear raise of a balancing 2♣ overcall to me. But that won't get us to 3NT anyway, since I'd have a clear pass as south. We still go +130.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 13:03

I would have bid 3♣. I consider this hand good enough for that.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 01:25

skaeran, on Sep 27 2007, 03:50 AM, said:


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♥ JT43
♦ 65
♣ T85

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  it's a clear raise of a direct seat 2♣ overcall IMO?.
?

Is this a clear raise because of it trick taking potential, its overall strength or is it a preemptive raise because fo the great fit and shape? :)

Sorry but this looks like a clear pass to me after
(1♦) 2 ♣ (pass) ....
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Posted 2007-September-27, 11:27

Codo, on Sep 27 2007, 09:25 AM, said:

skaeran, on Sep 27 2007, 03:50 AM, said:

 

♠ AT64
♥ JT43
♦ 65
♣ T85

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  it's a clear raise of a direct seat 2♣ overcall IMO?.
?

Is this a clear raise because of it trick taking potential, its overall strength or is it a preemptive raise because fo the great fit and shape? ;)

Sorry but this looks like a clear pass to me after
(1♦) 2 ♣ (pass) ....

It's a clear raise because of its trick taking potential (ace, doubleton, 3 trumps) and overall strenght. vs a maximum overcall we might have a game, vs a minimum overcall it might preempt the opponents.

Of course this is a style question. But I'd be very surprised if a partner of mine passed with that hand. My partners would likewise be surprised if I passed.
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