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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:04
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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:07
Anyway, now partner bids 3 ♦, and opponents are passing. What do you do now?
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
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Posted 2007-September-25, 21:46
blackshoe, on Sep 25 2007, 10:07 PM, said:
Anyway, now partner bids 3 ♦, and opponents are passing. What do you do now?
We have at least 8 ♠ and I have more than enough to push to game opposite a cue bid so I will cooperate with 4♣ as I don't have a min. due to my stiff.
..neilkaz ..hoping he is understanding this very confusing thread
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Posted 2007-September-26, 00:37
I would never bid 4 club now. I have a control in Heart, so I bid it with 3 Heart.
Th hand is now more exciting then watching paint dry. It is like watching your washing machine- when it is not running.
Th hand is now more exciting then watching paint dry. It is like watching your washing machine- when it is not running.
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Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
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Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
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Posted 2007-September-26, 05:52
Ok, I'll take the bait.
The auction so far
1♣ (P) 1♠ (2♦)
2♠ (P) 3♦ (P)
I'll cooperate 3♥ - next
The auction so far
1♣ (P) 1♠ (2♦)
2♠ (P) 3♦ (P)
I'll cooperate 3♥ - next
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
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Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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Posted 2007-September-26, 06:00
Codo, on Sep 26 2007, 01:37 AM, said:
I would never bid 4 club now. I have a control in Heart, so I bid it with 3 Heart.
Th hand is now more exciting then watching paint dry. It is like watching your washing machine- when it is not running.
Th hand is now more exciting then watching paint dry. It is like watching your washing machine- when it is not running.
You're correct...and this has been a very confusing thread first responding 1♥ and then switching to 1♠.
.. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-September-26, 06:02
The classic problem. Partner makes a call that might be a game try of some variety, might be a cuebid, might be asking for a stopper and for clarification of spade length if you do not use support doubles, might be any number of things. The agreements are not known, other than "essentially standard methods."
Now, pick a bid.
If I had to guess, I'd expect 3♦ to be a choice-of-games type of call, as no clarification seems to have been given that we doi,in fact, use support doubles. As I have a fourth spade, I'll pick spades, notwithstanding the diamond stopper.
I don't think I'm good enough for a 4♥ splinter, but only barely. So, I'll mundanely bid 3♥. To splinter, I would ideally want ♠KQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣AQJxx. In this situation, however, I might lighten up a bit, but the actual hand lightens up two bits.
But, I just don't like guessing. I'd much rather have some clue as to what we are playing here.
Now, pick a bid.
If I had to guess, I'd expect 3♦ to be a choice-of-games type of call, as no clarification seems to have been given that we doi,in fact, use support doubles. As I have a fourth spade, I'll pick spades, notwithstanding the diamond stopper.
I don't think I'm good enough for a 4♥ splinter, but only barely. So, I'll mundanely bid 3♥. To splinter, I would ideally want ♠KQxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣AQJxx. In this situation, however, I might lighten up a bit, but the actual hand lightens up two bits.
But, I just don't like guessing. I'd much rather have some clue as to what we are playing here.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 06:36
If we don't play support doubles, so that I could have had three spades only for the 2S bid, I am worth 4H over 3D.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 09:53
I strongly object to 3♥, that should show some sort of length/strength there, not shortness. I think 4♥ is fine though. How much more could we have? A little more but not much.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 09:54
Agree, 4♥ is fine now.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 10:32
yeah 4♥ now.
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
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Posted 2007-September-26, 10:33
Fluffy, on Sep 26 2007, 11:32 AM, said:
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
Fluffy!
You must think that we Americans bid 1NT with everything.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 10:42
Hannie, on Sep 26 2007, 04:33 PM, said:
Fluffy, on Sep 26 2007, 11:32 AM, said:
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
Fluffy!
You must think that we Americans bid 1NT with everything.
Nothign to do with americans, I know of 3 people (spannish) who would say: I stop every suit, so 1NT. And they have been playing for more than 20 years (not with great success)
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Posted 2007-September-26, 13:02
Hannie, on Sep 26 2007, 11:33 AM, said:
Fluffy, on Sep 26 2007, 11:32 AM, said:
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
Fluffy!
You must think that we Americans bid 1NT with everything.
I know some South Americans I would expect to rebid 2♣
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 13:08
Hannie, on Sep 26 2007, 03:54 PM, said:
Agree, 4♥ is fine now.
indeed.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 13:11
Heh. Well, I didn't expect to get this far afield. And I'm sorry that "instead of 1♥, partner responds 1♠" confused some people. I suppose I could have started another thread. 
Anyway, I was hoping for somewhat different answers. Here's the analysis from my source:
"Partner is making a help suit game try in diamonds, or perhaps trying to get to 3NT. This isn't good news for spades because it suggests he has something like three low diamonds. If so, the defenders will start with two top diamonds and a diamond ruff. And 3NT isn't appealing with a singleton heart. I sign off in 3♠."
I suppose this says something about the pair's agreements which differs from what most here play.
Support doubles are on, so responder knows opener has four spades.
So I guess my question now is "what's wrong with this analysis?"
Oh, and there will be more to this auction. Keep in mind the title of the thread.
Anyway, I was hoping for somewhat different answers. Here's the analysis from my source:
"Partner is making a help suit game try in diamonds, or perhaps trying to get to 3NT. This isn't good news for spades because it suggests he has something like three low diamonds. If so, the defenders will start with two top diamonds and a diamond ruff. And 3NT isn't appealing with a singleton heart. I sign off in 3♠."
I suppose this says something about the pair's agreements which differs from what most here play.
Support doubles are on, so responder knows opener has four spades.
So I guess my question now is "what's wrong with this analysis?"
Oh, and there will be more to this auction. Keep in mind the title of the thread.
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As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
As for tv, screw it. You aren't missing anything. -- Ken Berg
Our ultimate goal on defense is to know by trick two or three everyone's hand at the table. -- Mike777
I have come to realise it is futile to expect or hope a regular club game will be run in accordance with the laws. -- Jillybean
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Posted 2007-September-26, 16:25
You are wrong in that 3♦doesn't ask nor shwo anything about diamonds, and even if it did, it wouldn't be ♦xxx.
At this point partner is almost marked with 5♠-4♥, Why didn't he use this suit as limit I don't know, probably he is looking for slam.
At this point partner is almost marked with 5♠-4♥, Why didn't he use this suit as limit I don't know, probably he is looking for slam.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 19:14
That's a really weird treatment. I would have never guessed, even if I knew that 2♠ promised four, that 3♦ was an empathetic short-suit game try. (LOL)
Your expert's analysis is good, though, if in fact you were playing that.
Your expert's analysis is good, though, if in fact you were playing that.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 19:21
Good one Ken. 
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 19:34
Hannie, on Sep 26 2007, 08:33 AM, said:
Fluffy, on Sep 26 2007, 11:32 AM, said:
How many know of people who would rebid 1NT over 1♥ instead of 1♠?
Fluffy!
You must think that we Americans bid 1NT with everything.
You a dual citizen now Han?
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