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No opposition bidding this time, the only reason that you are in trouble is that you happen to be me on this hand. Do you agree with 1♥, and what is your call now?
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Posted 2007-September-25, 09:35
Roland's title reminded me of this hand:
No opposition bidding this time, the only reason that you are in trouble is that you happen to be me on this hand. Do you agree with 1♥, and what is your call now?
No opposition bidding this time, the only reason that you are in trouble is that you happen to be me on this hand. Do you agree with 1♥, and what is your call now?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 09:39
I agree with 1♥. I think I will bid 4♥ now. Certainly I'm not going to introduce spades; I can see the case for 2♥ and it may be better, but it seems too easy to miss game that way.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 09:46
2♥. 4♥ was my first reaction but its playing pard for very specific cards. If I end up in 2♥, I'm fairly sure its the right spot.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 09:50
2♥ is enough.
The dogs that haven't barked in the night suggest that partner is heavy on values and will not be passing 2♥. As Phil says, if he does, we're probably not too low.
I assume that we are jumping to 4♥ over 2N. And if partner suggests a minor, I will overrule him at the 3-level.
The dogs that haven't barked in the night suggest that partner is heavy on values and will not be passing 2♥. As Phil says, if he does, we're probably not too low.
I assume that we are jumping to 4♥ over 2N. And if partner suggests a minor, I will overrule him at the 3-level.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 10:01
I was going to construct a few hands to make my point about 4♥. Attempting to build them has led me to agree that 2♥ is better.
The problem is that of the 31 HCP available for partner to hold, 16 of them are completely useless. The diamond ace isn't all that great, either. And we're very unlikely to be ruffing any spades. So while there are hands which pass 2♥ and let us make 11 tricks most days (AKx xx xxxx xxxx), which are the sort that I was worried about, they're not dense enough in the space of hands-which-are-passing-2♥ to make going on the percentage action.
I hate it when my instincts on these things are wrong.
The problem is that of the 31 HCP available for partner to hold, 16 of them are completely useless. The diamond ace isn't all that great, either. And we're very unlikely to be ruffing any spades. So while there are hands which pass 2♥ and let us make 11 tricks most days (AKx xx xxxx xxxx), which are the sort that I was worried about, they're not dense enough in the space of hands-which-are-passing-2♥ to make going on the percentage action.
I hate it when my instincts on these things are wrong.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 10:12
Nobody opens 4H?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 10:18
I open 1♥, and bid 2♥ now.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 10:37
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 06:12 PM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
Not in 1st seat Han.
3rd seat though.
Agree with 1♥ and 2♥.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 10:43
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 11:12 AM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
This will not come as a shock to you but I would open 4H
Joe boo style obv.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 11:08
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 11:12 AM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
Nope..not with 5♠ and a 5-7 hand. I think I'll miss too many slams, and perhaps ♠ is where we belong if PD has 4 or 5 of them.
It is true that 4♥ preempts their 5m, but they still have to get there and make it if I just open 1♥.
As for the rebid, I don't mind the direct jump to 4♥, but slightly prefer 2♥ just in case the hand is a big missfit.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 11:35
Jlall, on Sep 25 2007, 08:43 AM, said:
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 11:12 AM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
This will not come as a shock to you but I would open 4H
Joe boo style obv. And you'll Grue the trump suit by leading low to the 10x on the board and getting LHO to duck with Kx?
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Posted 2007-September-25, 11:39
pclayton, on Sep 25 2007, 11:35 AM, said:
Jlall, on Sep 25 2007, 08:43 AM, said:
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 11:12 AM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
This will not come as a shock to you but I would open 4H
Joe boo style obv. And you'll Grue the trump suit by leading low to the 10x on the board and getting LHO to duck with Kx?
No, Grue only does it when it's right.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 14:06
Hannie, on Sep 25 2007, 04:12 PM, said:
Nobody opens 4H?
I do.
All my problems are solved by this "transfer bid"
(as in, transfers the problem to pard.. lol)
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Posted 2007-September-25, 14:24
4♥ opener, 7-4 come alive.
ok so i'm not 7-4 and it doesnt rhyme. so?
ok so i'm not 7-4 and it doesnt rhyme. so?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 14:35
I'll try and add something useful rather than making another joke; more and more I am believing in treating competitive bidding as the primary concern on this type of hand and pretty much forgetting about slams.
Yes obviously we make a slam opposite very little when we have this hand but we can't always find it since our hand is impossible to describe and because the opps are usually jumping around themselves anyways. It seems more important to me to jam the auction up and try and shut out the opps or lure them into going for a number with bad breaks, or whatever. I think the best way to "describe this" is an opening 4 bid showing a very offensive hand with a long good suit.
It's totally possible I have gone too far with this concept and I will just lose too much long term by opening 4H a la joe grue, but this doesn't hit my cut off. The argument that I will always disagree with is that opening 4H ends in us having the last guess often, and is not a good thing to do for that reason, and that opening 1H will let us find the information we need to determine what to do over the "inevitable" 5m. I really think that's bogus.
Yes obviously we make a slam opposite very little when we have this hand but we can't always find it since our hand is impossible to describe and because the opps are usually jumping around themselves anyways. It seems more important to me to jam the auction up and try and shut out the opps or lure them into going for a number with bad breaks, or whatever. I think the best way to "describe this" is an opening 4 bid showing a very offensive hand with a long good suit.
It's totally possible I have gone too far with this concept and I will just lose too much long term by opening 4H a la joe grue, but this doesn't hit my cut off. The argument that I will always disagree with is that opening 4H ends in us having the last guess often, and is not a good thing to do for that reason, and that opening 1H will let us find the information we need to determine what to do over the "inevitable" 5m. I really think that's bogus.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 14:50
Jlall, on Sep 25 2007, 11:35 PM, said:
more and more I am believing in treating competitive bidding as the primary concern on this type of hand and pretty much forgetting about slams.
interesting philosophy...
I'll need to try it some time ;-)
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Posted 2007-September-25, 16:56
Jlall, on Sep 25 2007, 08:35 PM, said:
I will always disagree with (...) I really think that's bogus.
Me too. Especially since opps will have to dig deep to find a 5m bid over 4♥
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Posted 2007-September-25, 17:18
I opened 1H and rebid 2H. This got passed out. I got a spade lead and my partner tabled Kx x QJxx KJ10xxx. 2H looks like a great spot, however...
I won the queen and returned a spade, so I got the desired heart return and there was ♥Kx onside. When spades split 3-3 I made +2 for a loss of 1 IMP.
I won the queen and returned a spade, so I got the desired heart return and there was ♥Kx onside. When spades split 3-3 I made +2 for a loss of 1 IMP.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 17:23
gwnn, on Sep 25 2007, 10:24 PM, said:
4♥ opener, 7-4 come alive.
ok so i'm not 7-4 and it doesnt rhyme. so?
ok so i'm not 7-4 and it doesnt rhyme. so?
seven-zes, bid less.
OK I'm not 7-6 either but at least it rhymes.
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Posted 2007-September-25, 17:26
vijf-zeven, kom tot leven!
(it means "5-7, come alive", believe it or not)
(it means "5-7, come alive", believe it or not)
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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