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#1
Posted 2007-September-23, 20:02
Nobody vulnerable, mps in a weak (sectional) stratified pairs.
RHO deals and the bidding proceeds:
[1♣] P [2♣] 2♦ [6♣] P [P] double all pass.
2♣ was a standard weak raise of clubs, nothing special.
Your lead.
#2
Posted 2007-September-23, 21:41
I'm not leading a diamond or a trump on this auction. It seems to me that its more likely RHO has hearts, not spades.
I lead a heart.
#3
Posted 2007-September-23, 21:52
- hrothgar
#4
Posted 2007-September-23, 21:54
Hannie, on Sep 23 2007, 07:52 PM, said:
Its pretty unlikely pard has a spade void too. That means LHO skipped 4 spades (at MPs).
The double doesn't automatically mean a void, it just means "lead something unusual".
#5
Posted 2007-September-23, 22:02
- hrothgar
#6 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-September-23, 22:02
#7
Posted 2007-September-24, 01:19
Pds double may be a lightner double with a chicane, but I doubt it.
I think that he just want to warn us from leading diamonds, because his diamonds are weak and he prefers another suit.
Declarer is surely not 6/5. Dummy has 5 clubs or his bidding makes no sense. So declarer has at most 5 clubs. He had opened a 5 card major with a 5 card club suit, or he has 5 Spades and 5 clubs. This makes much sense:
A 5305 hand. But even then I doubt that pd has a spade chicane. This will only be possible if dummy forgets a 4 card spade suit. Hardly.
Anyway, I think tha spade his "surely" declarers second suit (He has a 5305 or 4405) but that we don´t get ruffs. So I try a heart.
Pd will take the ace and king, Bridge is so easy.
Roland
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#8
Posted 2007-September-24, 05:47
#9
Posted 2007-September-24, 05:57
Fluffy, on Sep 24 2007, 08:47 PM, said:
If Partner has ♠ AK ♥ xxxx ♦ Kxxxxx how exactly is declarer going to make the contract?
Can you show me hands where declarer and his pd bid their hand and the above layout for your partner is possible?
Roland
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#10
Posted 2007-September-24, 07:33
mikeh, on Sep 23 2007, 09:02 PM, said:
hmmm... does that mean players can't be both skilled and imaginative?
tiniest spade for me, please!
#11
Posted 2007-September-24, 09:01
Codo, on Sep 24 2007, 06:57 AM, said:
Presumably the goal of the defense is to prevent declarer from making his contract?
If that's partner's holding then declarer could a red suit lead, pull trump and pitch dummies spades on his hearts.
I can see why matmat is worried if an imaginative player can't be skilled.
- hrothgar
#12
Posted 2007-September-24, 19:50
#13
Posted 2007-September-24, 19:59
Assuming this it does seem odds on to lead a spade, as declarer is more likely to have hearts than spades (and if he has spades maybe partner has the J and he doesn't get enough heart pitches on the spades).
#14
Posted 2007-September-24, 22:34
My brain has been somewhere else lately.
#15
Posted 2007-September-25, 01:07
For rho to have a Club/HEart two suiter, he needs to have 6 clubs and 5 Hearts.
In this case his pd must have raisde a possible 3 card suit with 3334 to two ♣?
Sorry this sounds too silly to me.
Next time LHO should bid 1 HEart. This bid is as sick as 2 Club but leads to the right slam: 6 Heart from North, making on any lead....
So please clarify this: Why is a spade lead better? (Besides the obvious fact that it worked this time?)
Roland
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#16
Posted 2007-September-25, 09:19
cherdano, on Sep 25 2007, 01:59 AM, said:
Here is why Roland
#17
Posted 2007-September-27, 00:33
Declarer has 2506 when his pard bid 2 Club on a 3334 hand (or something similar)
He can have 5206 too, so the difference in this case is just the jack of spade.
So a spade wins, if north bid 2 Club on a balanced hand with 4 Clubs AND the second suit from declarer is Hearts.
A heart wins, if north bid 2 Club on any hand with 5 Clubs or when he has the balanced hand but the second second suit from declarer is spades. (I see that in this case there are hands where the possesion of the jack (or another honour) at pds hand will make it less likely to beat the contract.
Does still not look like a heart lead is the winner in theory.
Actually a spade still looks more like a 0% Chance, because no sane player bids 2 Club at mps with
♠Kxx
♥ xxx
♦ Kxx
♣ 9xxx
Or am I wrong with this statement?
Roland
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