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what 3d means here
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Posted 2007-September-23, 12:50
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West North East South
- - Pass 1NT
Pass 2♥ Pass 2♠
Pass 3♦ pass ?
does it show either a good diamond suit or just a slam try?
West North East South
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Pass 2♥ Pass 2♠
Pass 3♦ pass ?
does it show either a good diamond suit or just a slam try?
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Posted 2007-September-23, 13:04
Standard is natural GF, usually some slam interest since most non-slamish hands with five spades would just bid 3N and not suggest 5♦ as an alternative, especially at matchpoints.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 13:20
In my view one of the most common mistakes people make is with a hand like:
KQxxx x Kxxx Jxx.
It seems that people routinely transfer and bid 3N with this hand which is a big mistake. It's true you give up some info about the lead by transferring and bidding 3D but in return you avoid silly 3N contracts in favor of superior 5D contracts or 4S in a 5-2. You also enable partner to pass your transfer and 3N with most 3(433) hands when he could not do so if you were transferring and bidding 3N with this hand. This lets you get to 3N with 5332 opposite 3433 which is generally better.
Anyways, my point is this hand has no slam interest, isn't 5-5, etc. It's just trying to find the right game.
KQxxx x Kxxx Jxx.
It seems that people routinely transfer and bid 3N with this hand which is a big mistake. It's true you give up some info about the lead by transferring and bidding 3D but in return you avoid silly 3N contracts in favor of superior 5D contracts or 4S in a 5-2. You also enable partner to pass your transfer and 3N with most 3(433) hands when he could not do so if you were transferring and bidding 3N with this hand. This lets you get to 3N with 5332 opposite 3433 which is generally better.
Anyways, my point is this hand has no slam interest, isn't 5-5, etc. It's just trying to find the right game.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 14:40
Depending on which expert you talk to or book you read there are two schools of thought here. However, that shouldn't change your bid here and please note that 3♦ really should be 100% GF. Here you have nice 3 card ♠ support, 16 HCP with good controls and a ruffing value. But, and according to Bergen, you should just start by showing your ♠ support and bid 3♠.
If PD is just looking for the right game, he can carry on to 4♠, ans since 3♦ is GF, he can bid something other than 4♠ if looking for slam, and you'll cooperate.
Perhaps you belong in a ♦ slam as you maybe able to take 2 pitches on the ♠, but if you raise to 4♦ you may end up playing in 5♦ when you want to be in 4♠ if PD holds the hand Justin shows.
Thus when you aren't sure what PD's bid means, but it is certainly GF, keep the bidding low and support his 5 card major.
Now if I was 100% certain (as some play) that PD most likely was 5-5 or at least a very strong 5-4 and in each case slam invitational, I might raise to 4♦ directly as 6♦ will often be superior to 6♠ due to the chances to pitch twice on ♠. But even then 3♠ and then bidding ♦ may help PD better judge.
So, just keep the bidding low and options open with 3♠ here, IMHO.
.. neilkaz ..
If PD is just looking for the right game, he can carry on to 4♠, ans since 3♦ is GF, he can bid something other than 4♠ if looking for slam, and you'll cooperate.
Perhaps you belong in a ♦ slam as you maybe able to take 2 pitches on the ♠, but if you raise to 4♦ you may end up playing in 5♦ when you want to be in 4♠ if PD holds the hand Justin shows.
Thus when you aren't sure what PD's bid means, but it is certainly GF, keep the bidding low and support his 5 card major.
Now if I was 100% certain (as some play) that PD most likely was 5-5 or at least a very strong 5-4 and in each case slam invitational, I might raise to 4♦ directly as 6♦ will often be superior to 6♠ due to the chances to pitch twice on ♠. But even then 3♠ and then bidding ♦ may help PD better judge.
So, just keep the bidding low and options open with 3♠ here, IMHO.
.. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-September-23, 14:43
Hi,
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
And you should bid 3S, showing the fit.
With kind regards
Marlowe
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
And you should bid 3S, showing the fit.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-September-23, 15:44
P_Marlowe, on Sep 23 2007, 03:43 PM, said:
Hi,
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
The second part of this is definitely not true.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 00:53
Jlall, on Sep 24 2007, 06:44 AM, said:
P_Marlowe, on Sep 23 2007, 03:43 PM, said:
Hi,
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
primary it shows at least 5-4 (or 5-5),
but it could be a advanced cue bid.
The second part of this is definitely not true.
Maybe it should not be true.
Maybe you don´t know it in the States.
But a big part of the SEF junkies play it exactly this way and it works if you are on the same wavelength with pd about the later bidding.
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