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I also voted 4♠, although I'm not convinced it's the right action.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 10:59
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Posted 2007-September-24, 11:06
Obviously part of the point of the discussion is what partner has to double on.
Even if playing that 1S promises 4+ spades, partner would still just bid 4S on some strong 3154, so I really don't like the 4S bid here.
Personally I would bid 5C. But I don't think partner's double shows a balanced 18-count with AQx of hearts. I think partner should have what are known in the trade as 'convertible values' and we have a hand that looks like converting them.
Something like
Ax
xx
AKxxx
Kxxx
is pretty light in HCP for a double (although it's good in controls), and we want to be in 5C opposite that hand.
In fact, I agree that passing has probably a marginally higher imp expectation than bidding, assuming oppo always do the right thing, but this is what is known as taking out insurance: it depends a bit on the event, but in most imps matches I can live with a couple of 1-off vs 1-off for the times where both games are making.
(this is a very long way round of saying what Hannie just said)
Even if playing that 1S promises 4+ spades, partner would still just bid 4S on some strong 3154, so I really don't like the 4S bid here.
Personally I would bid 5C. But I don't think partner's double shows a balanced 18-count with AQx of hearts. I think partner should have what are known in the trade as 'convertible values' and we have a hand that looks like converting them.
Something like
Ax
xx
AKxxx
Kxxx
is pretty light in HCP for a double (although it's good in controls), and we want to be in 5C opposite that hand.
In fact, I agree that passing has probably a marginally higher imp expectation than bidding, assuming oppo always do the right thing, but this is what is known as taking out insurance: it depends a bit on the event, but in most imps matches I can live with a couple of 1-off vs 1-off for the times where both games are making.
(this is a very long way round of saying what Hannie just said)
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Posted 2007-September-24, 16:27
FrancesHinden, on Sep 24 2007, 12:06 PM, said:
Obviously part of the point of the discussion is what partner has to double on.
Even if playing that 1S promises 4+ spades, partner would still just bid 4S on some strong 3154, so I really don't like the 4S bid here.
Personally I would bid 5C. But I don't think partner's double shows a balanced 18-count with AQx of hearts. I think partner should have what are known in the trade as 'convertible values' and we have a hand that looks like converting them.
Something like
Ax
xx
AKxxx
Kxxx
is pretty light in HCP for a double (although it's good in controls), and we want to be in 5C opposite that hand.
In fact, I agree that passing has probably a marginally higher imp expectation than bidding, assuming oppo always do the right thing, but this is what is known as taking out insurance: it depends a bit on the event, but in most imps matches I can live with a couple of 1-off vs 1-off for the times where both games are making.
(this is a very long way round of saying what Hannie just said)
Even if playing that 1S promises 4+ spades, partner would still just bid 4S on some strong 3154, so I really don't like the 4S bid here.
Personally I would bid 5C. But I don't think partner's double shows a balanced 18-count with AQx of hearts. I think partner should have what are known in the trade as 'convertible values' and we have a hand that looks like converting them.
Something like
Ax
xx
AKxxx
Kxxx
is pretty light in HCP for a double (although it's good in controls), and we want to be in 5C opposite that hand.
In fact, I agree that passing has probably a marginally higher imp expectation than bidding, assuming oppo always do the right thing, but this is what is known as taking out insurance: it depends a bit on the event, but in most imps matches I can live with a couple of 1-off vs 1-off for the times where both games are making.
(this is a very long way round of saying what Hannie just said)
I don't think we are saying exactly the same thing but I agree with most of what you say. I wouldn't bid though if I thought that the IMP expectation of passing was higher.
Also, I asked Ira if he would bid 5C if partner was forced to pass it no matter what. He said that in that case he expected 5C still to be the winner but only by a very small margin.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 19:51
skaeran, on Sep 23 2007, 06:31 AM, said:
jdonn, on Sep 22 2007, 07:40 AM, said:
mikeh, on Sep 22 2007, 12:20 AM, said:
It could, of course, be 'right' to pull: but it doesn't seem like the percentage action. BTW, I'm glad I'm on lead, not partner.
to lead a.....?
To avoid a spade lead I'd guess.
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