[Stephen Tu]

Scoring: MP

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p [space] 4d [space]dbl ?

2nt agreed as 20-22 FWIW.

What's going on? what now, and what's your plan?

[Fluffy]

redouble and make one or 2 overtricks is my plan

[jdonn]

Seems like either (unlikely) my opponent is absolutely insane, or (much more likely) partner thought we were playing puppet stayman and is 4-4 in the majors. I will pass just in case we really are getting the biggest gift ever, but presuming partner redoubles or bids 4♥ I'll bid 4NT.

I bet in real life partner alerted the 3♦ bid and this hand ran when 4♦ was doubled, and we are being asked to judge if passing is a logical alternative. Just a guess!

[cherdano]

RHO thought 4D is a cue and made a psychic lead-directing double, or a lead-directing double with a void?

[FrancesHinden]

Playing with a partner I trust, I redouble and take overtricks.

I had an auction along these lines once in a national event, and the option "opponent is absolutely insane" turned out to be true, we finished +2000 on the board.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Pass.

I have no idea, but the nice thing is,
partner gets another chance to clarify,
sometimes I have nice opponents, who
help me solve problems.

In my standard partnership 4D would be
natural, which would be great.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jtfanclub]

Stephen Tu, on Sep 17 2007, 02:30 AM, said:

What's going on? what now, and what's your plan?

Stripe tailed ape?

4♦X+2= 1110
4♦X+3= 1310

6♦= 1370
7♦= 2330

Maybe the opp has a diamond void, and figures that playing in 4♦X would be a good board?

I XX. Should scare the bejesus outa somebody. Hope it's not P.

[Stephen Tu]

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Seems like either (unlikely) my opponent is absolutely insane, or (much more likely) partner thought we were playing puppet stayman and is 4-4 in the majors. I will pass just in case we really are getting the biggest gift ever, but presuming partner redoubles or bids 4♥ I'll bid 4NT.

I bet in real life partner alerted the 3♦ bid and this hand ran when 4♦ was doubled, and we are being asked to judge if passing is a logical alternative. Just a guess!

Josh had it nailed.

3♦ alerted as showing a 4 cd major, this hand bid 4nt over the double. Opposite hand with Qxxx J9xx x K9xx passed and the last making contract was reached. After the board I called the director and asked him to take a look & see if he thought an adjustment was warranted. I thought pass/xx were L.A.s to 4nt & that 4nt was suggested because of the UI, though I wasn't sure whether the opponents are still going to land on their feet, or what the final contract should be ruled should the table result be changed. Opponents went ballistic, director eventually ruled 4♥-1, opps quit at halftime in a qualifying event despite not being totally out of it, don't know if this was the sole reason.

Am I out of line to call a director here? What's your ruling? I guess lots of players don't understand how the laws work & how you are supposed to act under these UI conditions?

[ralph23]

Stephen Tu, on Sep 17 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

Am I out of line to call a director here?

What's your ruling?

I guess lots of players don't understand how the laws work & how you are supposed to act under these UI conditions?

Not at all out of line. Appears they were playing PS and South just forgot and misbid. I think letting them off for 4♥ down one is pretty charitable.

They could have just been peeved at themselves for screwing this up. Certainly no basis for them to be peeved at EW.

[cherdano]

Stephen, there was UI etc., of course you should call the director it is his job to sort it out whether there were LA's or what would likely happen if opener chose on of the LA's and so on.
(Ok there are exceptions if this was a very, ahem, 'social' club and opponents were complete beginners and the TD an arrogant asshole then I would explain them after the round or after the game what I thought about the situation, but otherwise...)

[jdonn]

jtfanclub, on Sep 17 2007, 12:07 PM, said:

Stephen Tu, on Sep 17 2007, 02:30 AM, said:

What's going on? what now, and what's your plan?

Stripe tailed ape?

4♦X+2= 1110
4♦X+3= 1310

6♦= 1370
7♦= 2330

Maybe the opp has a diamond void, and figures that playing in 4♦X would be a good board?

I XX. Should scare the bejesus outa somebody. Hope it's not P.

LOL at stripe tailed ape. He doesn't know that his partner doesn't have two aces. Or three aces.

By the laws, I'm quite sure 4♦XX down whatever is the correct ruling, though I happen to think XX is an awful bid that no one should choose since you can be almost certain of a misunderstanding, the votes clearly show it to be a logical alternative. I think in real life you will never get that ruling in a million years except perhaps at a large national tournament, and probably not even then. Most committees are just chicken to hand out ridiculous looking penalties like 2300 or 2800 or whatever, and frankly if they gave me 4♥-1 I would be happy just to have gained a swing from the misunderstanding.

Calling the director was quite appropriate. When my opponents went nuts I would probably sit their quietly, but if I said anything to them at all it would definitely be sarcastic.

[awm]

While XX is logical, I'm not sure that deciding to play 4♦XX holding a singleton diamond opposite partner's balanced hand is really logical.

I'm sure that I would take the redouble in this auction (assuming all bids explained correctly) as "I'm 4-4 in the majors also, take your pick" or perhaps as showing first round diamond control in case responder has slam interest.

[han]

jdonn, on Sep 17 2007, 03:02 AM, said:

I bet in real life partner alerted the 3♦ bid and this hand ran when 4♦ was doubled, and we are being asked to judge if passing is a logical alternative. Just a guess!

Excellent table presence Josh.

[Stephen Tu]

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While XX is logical, I'm not sure that deciding to play 4♦XX holding a singleton diamond opposite partner's balanced hand is really logical.

That's my thinking. Perhaps the ruling should have been:
xx
4H (WTH is going on?)
4S (cue bid)
p (OK)

The ruling didn't much matter, -100 is worth all but one MP, though one pair managed to go for -800 with these cards, don't know how.

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Excellent table presence Josh.

I guess he can use this to recover if screens were in place, without the screens don't think it is allowed though.

[jdonn]

I agree I didn't think it through. What I mean is the redouble should be forced on south, but I shouldn't say that would be the final contract since of course north wouldn't pass.

Yeah in real life if this happened it would be illegal of me to decide my partner forgot, even though I obviously "knew" it anyway.