[ArcLight]

IMPS 2/1 (not SAYC)

1. (unfavorable)
Pard passes, RHO bids 1♦, would you overcall 1♠ with:
♠ K 8 x x x
♥ K x x x
♦ x x
♣ K x

From 1 - 100 how do you rate: PASS, 1♠, Other (explain)


2. (favorable)
RHO deals: 1♥ p 2♥ p , p ?
Do you balance with: (if so, whats your bid)
♠ K J 8
♥ J T x
♦ K Q 9 x
♣ x x x

From 1 - 100 how do you rate: PASS, DBL, Other (explain)


3. (All Vuln) Opps silent
You hold:
♠ x
♥ A K T 9 4
♦ A T x x x
♣ x x

You open 1♥, pard responds 1♠.
You bid 2♦, pard responds 3♣ (4SF)
You bid 3♦, pard bids 4♦

Whats your bid?
Opener bid 5♦ ending the auction, making 7

Responder held:
♠ A Q T x x
♥ J x
♦ K J 9 4
♣ A x

How should the auction have gone?


4. Favorable
Pard opens 1♣, RHO bids 4♥
Whats your bid with:
♠ K 9 x x
♥ J
♦ K Q 8 x x
♣ K x x



5. All vulnerable
LHO passes, pard opens 1♣, RHO X, you bid 1♥ holding:
♠ x x x
♥ K Q J x x
♦ J x
♣ J x x

The bidding continues:
p 1♣ X 1♥
2♦ 3♣ 3♠ ? What do you do? ?Pass, 4♣, X, 3♥, Other?


The bidding continues:
p 1♣ X 1♥
2♦ 3♣ 3♠ p
4♠ 5♣ 5♠ ?

Now what?

[han]

1. I pass, this time the risks seem to outweigh the possible rewards. I'd say pass = 100, 1S = 70.

2. Double, I really don't like to sell out to 2H. We are favorable and I have a few nice cards. I don't have strong feelings about this one so wouldn't rate pass much lower. Double = 100, Pass = 80.

3. This is a nice hand, so I cue 4H.

4. Double, negative.

5. Lots of points in this deck, partner is likely quite distributional. I'd bid 4C and leave the rest up to partner.

[awm]

1. I like to bid 1♠ with these hands. Agree that it's close and neither 1♠ nor pass is "wrong."

2. I'll pass. This depends a bit on partner and opponents; opposite a partner who is not very aggressive in competitive auctions and fairly weak opponents I might bid, but normally pass.

3. Cue 4♥ seems clear. All roads lead to 6♦ now. Note that 4♥ can't really be suggesting to play after selecting 3♦ and not 3♥ over 4th suit forcing.

4. Negative double is clear.

5. I am not excited about this very flat hand and would pass both 3♠ and 5♠.

Note that none of these actions had anything to do with playing 2/1 vs. SAYC and I would take the same calls in each case with either system.

[Elianna]

This is the second thread you've started where you specify 2/1 and not SAYC, where I haven't understood why it mattered (especially since you're not specifying style further). Why does it matter?

[the hog]

1) Yes I would bid 1S. This depends on style, but light overcalls have a lot going for them.

2) Definitely pass

3) Well we had this discussion once before. I really don't like 4Sf as a means of showing support. I would have bid 4D with the responding hand. As it is now, the hand is good enough for a H cue.

4) X for takeout. I am tempted to sat wtp, but no doubt there are some who play this as penalty.

5) Pass 3S, pass now.

[cherdano]

Wow both Justin and Han passing in 1)? Han??
On 2) I would pass, otherwise I agree with Justin/Han, they all seem pretty clear to me.

[Fluffy]

1. (weak overcall)
I would at least think of 2♦ as a third option, rated 40. 1♠- 100 (if there must be a 100), pass 80


2. (3343 2♥ reopening)
MP
Double = 100, pass= 50
IMP
Pass=100, double = 30


3. (red 55 slamish)
4♥ seems obvios after 4♦, A-AK is far from minimum for slam.

4♦ was better than 3♣ I think, but not obvious.


4. (4♥ overcall)
Double, minimum, but still in range.


5. (support clubs)
KQJxx in ♥ has many chances of being fully useless opposite singleton, but it won't be good on defence either.

4♣=100, pass =60, 5♣=50

[Fluffy]

Elianna, on Sep 16 2007, 05:23 AM, said:

This is the second thread you've started where you specify 2/1 and not SAYC, where I haven't understood why it mattered (especially since you're not specifying style further). Why does it matter?

It doesn't have to matter, Arclight doesn't know SAYC very well (does anyone?), he cannot know if it makes a difference, so if it would make a difference he just tells everyone.

[Codo]

1. pass=100 1 ♠ = 70 but simply a matter of style
2. pass = 100 X = 20. 80 against lols
3. like others I liked the bidding till 3 ♦. Playing std. methods 4 ♥ after 4 ♦ is clear cut.
4. Text book double
5. 4 ♣ and pass

[ArcLight]

Elianna, on Sep 16 2007, 12:23 AM, said:

This is the second thread you've started where you specify 2/1 and not SAYC, where I haven't understood why it mattered (especially since you're not specifying style further). Why does it matter?

Elianna,

The reason I started a new thread was I had a new set of hands I wanted to ask about. If I add hands to an existing thread it might be ignored.
In other words I REALLY want to hear from experts!

Also, I indicate 2/1 rather than SAYC, just in case there are differences. Maybe with these particular hands it doesn't matter. But it does matter with others I have posted. Also for all I know, there may be some subtle differences between SAYC and 2/1 I am not aware of. I just wanted to be clear.

>It doesn't have to matter, Arclight doesn't know SAYC very well (does anyone?), he cannot know if it makes a difference, so if it would make a difference he just tells everyone.




PS - Eli, you haven't responded to my questions. Please do so.


Thank you all for responding. It helps me to see others thought processes.
I appreciate your posts. (Where are jdonn and mikeh? )

[han]

cherdano, on Sep 16 2007, 03:51 AM, said:

Wow both Justin and Han passing in 1)? Han??

Sorry partner, I know it is not my style.

But I looked at the hand and it said pass to me. You already passed and we are red against white, my suit isn't good and neither is my shape. The chance that we have game is nil (given what you open on) and I don't care much for the lead. So the only upsides are (1) disrupting the opponent's auction and (2) competing for the partscore. I think the risk of going for a number is substantial.

[Elianna]

1. 1♠, knowing it's an overbid, but I'm known to like to bid.

2. pass. Even I won't won't bid with 4333.

3. The relevant information in this hand is: have all bids been natural besides 3♣? I assume so, since you haven't said otherwise, so I'd bid 4♥, as a cuebid seems required after 4♦.

4. You haven't told us if you include negative doubles so high. that's the relevant information. If you do, then I bid that. If you don't, I have no idea what I'd actually bid at a table.

If you're posting this hand to see if people think that they're playing negative doubles so high, you should post an accompanying hand like J K9xx KQ8xx Kxx and see if people vote "clear penalty double, wtp?"

5. again, I like to bid. 4♣.

arclight said:

The reason I started a new thread was I had a new set of hands I wanted to ask about. If I add hands to an existing thread it might be ignored.
In other words I REALLY want to hear from experts!

Also, I indicate 2/1 rather than SAYC, just in case there are differences. Maybe with these particular hands it doesn't matter. But it does matter with others I have posted. Also for all I know, there may be some subtle differences between SAYC and 2/1 I am not aware of. I just wanted to be clear.

I am not protesting your right to start a new thread. That's fine, and better than adding hands to an existing thread. My "this is the second thread" was applying to the 2/1 vs. SA part.

I find it hard to believe that someone who has read as many bridge books as you have does not know that 2/1 and SAYC have no difference on these hands, and haven't included information about other things in these hands.

For example, on the first board, how light do we open? If very light, then I might be more or less likely to bid, same as if we play extremely solid openings.

[skjaeran]

Jlall, on Sep 16 2007, 06:38 AM, said:

1) Very close, I slightly prefer pass. Neither option is "wrong"

2) Against competent opponents I would pass, the risk of getting doubled when partner couldn't bid over 2H himself is just too dangerous. At a local sectional or whatever I would almost always double, bad players don't double you and bid 3 over 3 (or 2S) wayyyyyy too much, you wouldn't believe it.

3) This is a really easy 4H bid. Responder, who had bid flawlessly to this point, could bid 4N now and over the 2 without the queen reply he would sign off.

4) Double. Prototypical hand. This is not a penalty double to any expert.

5) I would raise to 4C and sell out to 5S since we have 0 defensive tricks.

Agree wiht all Justin said.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 yes, 1S seems clear cut
you may try out 2D, but partner needs
to be aware, that you bid 2D with 5-4
and this is def. non standard
Pass, is ok, but just not my style
#2 Pass, anything else would not cross my
mind, and i am sometimes sick
#3 4H, a cue for diamonds, you have a nice
hand, but you are not strong enough to
force to slam
The way I play 4D, the bid requests a cue,
and you should only bid 5D, if youd dont have
one
#4 X
#5 1) Pass, I think, I will have a look, if they are willing
to bid 4S on their own
2) Pass

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mikeh]

skaeran, on Sep 16 2007, 03:11 PM, said:

Jlall, on Sep 16 2007, 06:38 AM, said:

1) Very close, I slightly prefer pass. Neither option is "wrong"

2) Against competent opponents I would pass, the risk of getting doubled when partner couldn't bid over 2H himself is just too dangerous. At a local sectional or whatever I would almost always double, bad players don't double you and bid 3 over 3 (or 2S) wayyyyyy too much, you wouldn't believe it.

3) This is a really easy 4H bid. Responder, who had bid flawlessly to this point, could bid 4N now and over the 2 without the queen reply he would sign off.

4) Double. Prototypical hand. This is not a penalty double to any expert.

5) I would raise to 4C and sell out to 5S since we have 0 defensive tricks.

Agree wiht all Justin said.

agree with all Harald said