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Many options I 4-0-5-4

Poll: your bid? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

your bid?

  1. pass (17 votes [44.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.74%

  2. redouble (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1 spade (12 votes [31.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.58%

  4. 2 clubs (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  5. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2007-September-15, 08:28

MP, all vulnerable.

♠AJ9x
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♦Q8xxx
♣KQJx

S - W - N - E
1♦-ps-ps-X
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Posted 2007-September-15, 08:43

Pass. If LHO is sitting here my partner won't. Bidding 2♣ is bad when partner has a ♠ fit. I don't think 2♣ improves our chances to get out by much, if at all.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 09:44

1♠. Makes it harder for LHO to bid hearts and keeps the option of bidding 3♣ later.

2♣ for the lead is also interesting.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 10:10

Pass. Let's see if they can balance themsevles into game without my help.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-15, 10:31

1♠ for me...
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Posted 2007-September-15, 11:50

Pass. Anything I do is a lot more likely to help them than my side, both in terms of helping them to guess hearts if they play in that suit, and further reducing the already (admittedly) small odds of them playing in one of my suits.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 13:40

Pass.

The only reason why I'd think about bidding is here if I have a premonition that LHO has a diamond stack. If we have some gigantic black suit fit, pard can bid over the presumed 1♥.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 15:22

pass, easy.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 15:26

I don't get it.

The opponents have hearts.
LHO is about to bid hearts.
They will win the partscore battle.
They may have, or think they have, game.
I want a club lead.
2♣ is way too cheap to be doubled.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 16:22

Pass. I expect partner to run if LHO passes. By the way 2♣ wouldshowa better hand for me.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 19:41

kenrexford, on Sep 15 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I don't get it.

The opponents have hearts.
LHO is about to bid hearts.
They will win the partscore battle.
They may have, or think they have, game.
I want a club lead.
2♣ is way too cheap to be doubled.

And if we can bar pard for the duration of the bidding, thats exactly what we want :P
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Posted 2007-September-15, 19:58

Good points Ken, I agree that 2C has something going for it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-15, 21:31

pclayton, on Sep 15 2007, 08:41 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 15 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I don't get it.

The opponents have hearts.
LHO is about to bid hearts.
They will win the partscore battle.
They may have, or think they have, game.
I want a club lead.
2♣ is way too cheap to be doubled.

And if we can bar pard for the duration of the bidding, thats exactly what we want :P

What bad things can happen from partner bidding? He raises clubs? Oh no...

Count me in for 2C. This is MP and getting a killing lead to hold them to 620 is just as good as going for 2000 is bad. And in this case the former is much more likely.
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Posted 2007-September-15, 22:06

Jlall, on Sep 15 2007, 07:31 PM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 15 2007, 08:41 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 15 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I don't get it.

The opponents have hearts.
LHO is about to bid hearts.
They will win the partscore battle.
They may have, or think they have, game.
I want a club lead.
2♣ is way too cheap to be doubled.

And if we can bar pard for the duration of the bidding, thats exactly what we want :P

What bad things can happen from partner bidding? He raises clubs? Oh no...

Count me in for 2C. This is MP and getting a killing lead to hold them to 620 is just as good as going for 2000 is bad. And in this case the former is much more likely.

I didn't notice it was MPs. The lead could be very important.

Nevertheless a diamond lead probably wont hurt (are the club tricks really going to disappear with these spades?) and I'll refrain from giving declarer a road map. I concede its close.
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Posted 2007-September-16, 01:56

My initial thought was 1S, but I've been convinced by 2C now by the argument. Passing didn't occur to me.
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Posted 2007-September-16, 15:27



I messed up with the ♠9 sorry, actually this board was all about finding ♠J in 4♥, your bid doesn' matter much, but 1♠ is probably worst for your side.
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Posted 2007-September-16, 16:26

Surely once we open and show up with a heart void declarer will get it right.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-16, 20:32

You do not need to find any spade Jack on this hand, unless for overtricks.

Suppose a club lead, because you made the right bid of 2♣. Declarer wins the club Ace and finesses a diamond. No matter what happens, he gets a spade pitch on the established diamond trick.

If you happen to get a different lead, now there is a chance that you "need to find" the spade 10, sort of. You could, for instance, get a heart lead, win the second one in dummy, and finesse the diamond. Then, you can cross and ditch a diamond loser. Now, you need the spade guess for the overtrick.
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Posted 2007-September-16, 20:50

kenrexford, on Sep 16 2007, 09:32 PM, said:

You do not need to find any spade Jack on this hand, unless for overtricks.

Suppose a club lead, because you made the right bid of 2♣.

Seems like you shouldn't have to bid a suit to tell yourself to lead it.
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Posted 2007-September-16, 21:11

jdonn, on Sep 16 2007, 09:50 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 16 2007, 09:32 PM, said:

You do not need to find any spade Jack on this hand, unless for overtricks.

Suppose a club lead, because you made the right bid of 2♣.

Seems like you shouldn't have to bid a suit to tell yourself to lead it.

You bid the suit to make sure that you lead it. I mean, how can you blame partner when he doesn't respect your lead-director if YOU won't even lead your suit after telling yourself to do so?!?!?
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