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Two of a non-kind, II

Poll: Your call (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. Pass (14 votes [60.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.87%

  2. Double (6 votes [26.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

  3. 5[HE] (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2007-September-14, 02:12

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1♦ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠
4♥ 4♠ ?


You are vulnerable against not.
Partner dealt.

Pass over 4♠ is NOT forcing (hence the two of a non-kind)

You and your partner are fairly solid players
LHO is sometimes imaginative in the auction
RHO is hyper-aggressive in the auction

(same players as the other hand, but rotated)
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Posted 2007-September-14, 02:14

I'd pass and leave it to pard (yes I realize pass is not forcing, if he passes it out that's fine with me). If pard has a red 2 suiter or something I definitely want him to feel free to bid.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 05:51

I'd pass if 2♥ is forcing, we have little extras (honnor allocation is very ofensive), but not enough.

If 2♥ was not forcing then I have an easy double now to show maximum values.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 08:00

5♥ here is saying, "I am owned so badly, so go ahead and bid 4♠ whenever you damn well please".

Just pass.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 12:13

I'm actually happy that the pass is non-forcing. I can pass and await (non) developments. Partner is still there, and if being there means saying 'no questions' as I choose my lead, that is probably the correct answer.

Were my pass forcing, I'd have to double, but I wouldn't like it.. this is too likely to make, while, on those hands, 5♥ rates to fail (we will be losing at least 3 black suit tricks)
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Posted 2007-September-14, 13:11

Dbl. I don't think they're making this.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 13:17

Pass seems perfect. I certainly don't want to discourage partner from bidding with two honors in his first suit on what is probably a double fit hand.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 14:29

Partner is marked with 1453 or 1462. I've got little defence, so I won't discourage partner from making another bid by doubling. I'll pass, but I'm not very far from taking another bid myself.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 14:49

I'll double here. Several points:

(1) I have ♠Qxx. Regardless of whether this is a trick on defense, this is two points that I'm supposed to have which are not working on offense. Such a holding implies that defending may be better.

(2) My hearts are Axxxx. This delivers a likely defensive trick, but is a weak enough suit that we may lose a trump trick in 5♥. Note that many minimum 2♥ bids include a six-card suit, which I don't have.

(3) I have only two diamonds. While ♦KQ may help solidify partner's suit, they don't particularly argue that we should declare. After all, we're still fairly likely to have two diamond tricks on defense. This is very different from holding ♦KQxx where the unshown double fit will reduce our defensive potential.

(4) Double is not a command to partner to pass. If partner has some 0562 hand or the like I expect him to bid on in any case.

If this is not a double, what is? I'm not going to have a big stack of spades on this auction.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 14:58

awm, on Sep 14 2007, 10:49 PM, said:

If this is not a double, what is? I'm not going to have a big stack of spades on this auction.

Try QJx A98xx Qx KTx. This is a clear double IMO.
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Posted 2007-September-14, 16:44

5H is out of course, I think I'm happy passing. Also, I'd rather have partner doubling in case they have to guess my spade queen.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-01, 04:48

I doubled at the table, but I think that was wrong, and agree with the passers.

Double = -590
Pass = -200 in 5 red doubled (partner will bid 5D if you pass).
Partner is actually 1471.
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